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http://www.mideastyouth.com/2010/03/31/dialogue-between-arab-atheist-and-arab-agnostic-part-2/ Dialogue between Arab atheist and Arab agnostic (Part II) by Adel Alhimi (Yemen/UAE) March 31st, 2010 Agnostic: you claim you have the proof that religions are man-made, let's buy that for the sake of argument, what is your replacement? Atheist: the truth, honesty, transparency and modesty, we don't know much , what we know so for is, the universe has come to being 14 billion years ago by big bang, we come to being through a very long gradual process called evaluation, that what all scientist agree on, and what does make sense ,because there is supporting evidence. Based on that we could build our morality system , since we are one family with one origin one root on this very fast and huge universe, therefore, I find sort of tendency within to care about the other, who might look deferent form me artificially but in the essence we are the same. Agnostic: what if you are wrong? Atheist : sure, I could be wrong . Having said that, please show me where I went wrong? Agnostic: looking at modern human history, we could see a lot of reform movements that were generated by individuals, they were sincere and strongly believed in what they say, and have never questioned their Dogma. Those reform movements had deferent and various grounds, secular movements, religious movements, ideological movements, racial movements, etc, how could you prove to me that you are not doing the same? Atheist: I do agree that there have been a lot of attempts to reform society, and I don't question neither sincerity nor their intention. What I would like to question is rationality, which explains why they have all failed. Agnostic: And you think preaching to religious-free society is rational thing to do? Atheist: because our massage does not contain (lies, myths, illusions) we start by saying. Hello everyone, we believe in one thing which could be wrong if there is evidence proving we are wrong we will be happy to look objectively at that evidence and give up what we believe in. and here what we believe in ( All religions are man-made , they are merely myth and lies. they might have positive impact , however, their negative impact is very and vastly overwhelming, which can be seen on the amount of killing and hate that exist on our world). We suggest debating publicly those who believe and defend religions. If we proved wrong we will be happy to join their faith and start hating killing those of opposite faith. And if we prove that their faith is myth, then we have one request to stop hatred and killing. Agnostic : it's interesting that you have mentioned objective word when you said (look objectively at that evidence), how would you define objectivity and subjectivity? Atheist : that is very profound philosophical question, however, it has been said Subjectivity is the way we perceive things around us, Objectivity is the actual world around us that does exist whether we perceive it or not. Agnostic: can you draw distinction between those two worlds? Atheist : I see where you coming from , as I said that is philosophical issue , I agree that we can't distinguish mentally reality from virtual-reality, on dream things look real to us till we wake up, our senses can easily be deceived , some power might have created this virtual-reality that we call world . Philosophically you can question everything even your own existences, however, that does not stop the pain of those who have lost part of their body in some explosion caused by some Muslim suicide bomber, will not feed thousand of Palestinian families in Ghaza strip, will not eliminate the baseless sense of mistrust between people, Will not stop Iran building its nuclear weapon and taking the whole region into complete destruction. (To be continued ) **** Jesus, Buddha, Gurus Sikh, Baha’i, & Karl Marx can be compared because of they teach love & justice. It is different wih Muhammad. I read Koran, Hadith, and Sira and found that Muhammad is a ROBBER, MURDERER, TERRORIST, PEDOPHILE, NECROPHILE, CHILD MOLESTER, DAUGHTER-IN-LAW MOLESTER, AUNT MOLESTER. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Post message: [email protected] Subscribe : [email protected] Unsubscribe : [email protected] List owner : [email protected] Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
