"ndeboost" juga bikin kemajuan.. Dia mau bertanya dan mau mengurus ajaran agamanya sendiri...
Dan saya jaab pertanyaannnya tentang "batu hitam": baca buku Jacqueline Chabbi "Le Seigneur des tribus." Disitu dijelaskan bahwa orang Arab Bedui dulu punya kebiasaan memuja batu suci yang suka ditaruh di "haram" yaitu ruangan suci ditengah-tengah tenda mereka. Batu hitam di Kaabah itu adalah salah satu diantara batu-batu suci itu. --- In [email protected], "ndeboost" <rambitesemak@...> wrote: > > Loh kan nDeboost boleh juga donk ngisah riil negeri jirannya > paus? Mosok situ saja yg bisa ngeposting. Tanah suci? Jangant nT > bayangkan ato bandingkan sama tahta suci. Ada tahta suci namun yg duduk > pernah sifilis. Lalu organisasi HAM orang-orang Arab ya silahkan mereka > buat rekomendasi, egp. > Lalu batu buatan orang kafir? Nah, nDeboost angkat jempol kalo nT bisa > kasih linknya. Wong namanya kafir dibuku pintar nT mbingungi gitu kok. > > --- In [email protected], "sunny" <ambon@> wrote: > > > > Hehehe sudah snewen? Perkawinan anak yang diselidiki ini di Arab > Saudia, penyelidikan di lakukan oleh orang-orang Arab Saudia dari > organisasi HAM Arab Saudia negeri yang Anda puja puji sebagai tanah > suci dan waktu haji keliling batu hitam 7 kali, batu item yang dibuat > oleh kafir-kafir. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: ndeboost > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 11:31 PM > > Subject: [proletar] Re: Child marriages, an issue still not resolved > > > > > > > > HAMnya kafir mau dipaksakan, ya ga matchlah. > > Nanti setelah PM Itali menang dari tututan pedofil, karena dia > memang > > suka pedofil, maka keknya usia pedofilan cewe dia usahain turunkan > > --- In [email protected], "sunny" ambon@ wrote: > > > > > > http://arabnews.com/saudiarabia/women_day/article306363.ece > > > > > > Child marriages, an issue still not resolved > > > By FATIMA SIDIYA | ARAB NEWS > > > > > > Published: Mar 8, 2011 00:20 Updated: Mar 8, 2011 00:20 > > > > > > JEDDAH: The Human Rights Commission (HRC) is preparing to release > > three studies covering child marriages in the Kingdom. > > > > > > It will also recommend a minimum age for marriage in Saudi Arabia > as > > well as criminalizing the act. > > > > > > The three studies, explained HRC media relations head Mohammad > > Al-Ma'addi, will address the religious, health and social issues > > associated with child marriages. "The studies will discuss the > negative > > effects of minor marriages on child wives, their babies, and society > in > > general," he said, > > > > > > "After the studies are completed, we will present them in a > seminar > > and discuss our recommendations, most importantly to set a law that > > criminalizes the act and set a specific minimum legal age for > marriage > > in the Kingdom." > > > > > > A recent poll conducted by the National Society for Human Rights > > (NSHR) revealed over two thirds of those surveyed were against > marriages > > involving girls under the age of 18. > > > > > > Some critics oppose issuing rules that prohibit something > legitimized > > by Islamic teachings. The majority of them call for stricter > regulation > > of child marriages where would-be husbands are banned from > exercising > > complete freedom in the marriage contract. > > > > > > The NSHR has examined four cases in 2010 where young girls were > forced > > into marriages and called for the Ministry of Justice to resolve the > > issue by banning any marriage involving children under the age of > 18. > > > > > > Both the NSHR and HRC have been campaigning for this issue after > > extensive reports about these cases in the local media. > > > > > > Though there has been no exact figure of child marriages, some > studies > > published in the media suggested that no less than 3,000 girls in > the > > Kingdom were under 13 when they got married, while their husbands > were > > at least 25 years their senior. > > > > > > Minister of Justice Mohammad Al-Eissa said in April 2009 that the > > ministry would regulate child marriages soon. > > > > > > He added that they would do this to "protect rights and prevent > any > > vice and to prevent the negative trend of minor marriages." > > > > > > He also said this would stop parents and guardians from forcing > their > > girls into marriage. Arab News spoke to the ministry's public > relation > > department officials, who confirmed that there has been no update. > > Prominent child marriage cases include that of a 12-year-old girl in > > Onaiza, whose father married her off to a man in his 80s. There was > > another similar case in Sakaka. Both cases received local and > > international attention. > > > > > > Suhaila Zain Al-Abideen, a Saudi activist for child and women's > > rights, said the Ministry of Justice has had enough time to address > the > > issue. > > > > > > "Two years are more than enough to come out with a system to > moderate > > these marriages. Such marriages affect the young girls and their > > children and lead to physical, psychological and social problems." > > > > > > Suhaila added that a new civil status law to be implemented > jointly in > > the GCC countries would cause further problems, as it allows the > judge > > to approve the marriage of any 15-year-old child, even if the > parents or > > guardians do not approve. > > > > > > "The judge according to this law will be able to OK these > marriages. > > If we approve this law, we are basically undermining the importance > of > > marriage contracts and being casual about the security of our > families." > > > > > > She said that there is no data available on child marriages. > > > > > > "The Ministry of Justice should provide us with that data, but > > unfortunately we don't have any. The Ministry of Justice has > recently > > included a clause in the marriage contract document forcing the > couple > > to state their age. What is the use of that clause if we are not > going > > to curb these marriages? More importantly, how can we make sure the > ages > > we record are accurate?" > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ Post message: [email protected] Subscribe : [email protected] Unsubscribe : [email protected] List owner : [email protected] Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! 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