Uteg sak kunthul beo utupun kalau ga sedeng. --- In [email protected], "Jusfiq" <kesayangan.allah@...> wrote: > > > 3 May 2011 Last updated at 22:45 GMT > > > Bin Laden 'was shot unarmed' - US > > The BBC's Orla Guerin looks around the perimeter of Bin Laden's > compound > > > Al-Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden was unarmed when he was killed by US > troops on Sunday after resisting capture, the White House has said. > > The CIA said it did not tell Pakistan about the raid in advance over > fears they would jeopardise the mission. > > Pakistan denies any prior knowledge of the raid - its intelligence > agency says it is embarrassed by its failures. > > US officials say they have not yet decided when to release the > "gruesome" photos of Bin Laden's body. > > But CIA director Leon Panetta told NBC News there was "no question" > the image would be released at some point. > > Bin Laden, aged 54, was the founder and leader of al-Qaeda. He is > believed to have ordered the attacks on New York and Washington on 11 > September 2001, as well as a number of other deadly bombings. > Al-Qaeda clues > > White House spokesman Jay Carney said Bin Laden's wife "rushed" the > first US assaulter who entered the room where they were, and was shot in > the leg but not killed. > > On Monday, White House officials said the woman was killed in the > firefight after Bin Laden used her as a human shield. > > They later said one woman had died in the raid but had been "caught in > the crossfire". Two couriers were also killed. > Continue reading the main story > Analysis > image of Owen Bennett Jones Owen Bennett Jones BBC News, Islamabad > > Clearly there were people helping Bin Laden in this location... were > they state employees, were they simply from Taliban-related groups, were > they from the intelligence agencies? > > For all Americans may ask the questions, I doubt they will get any > answers. There will be ambiguity about this and the Pakistanis will deny > they had any knowledge whatsoever. > > The establishment here is made up of army leadership, intelligence > agency leadership and some senior civil servants, and they have always > run Pakistan, whether democratic governments or military governments, > and those people do have connections with jihadis. > > The difficulty the West has is in appreciating there are more than 20 > different types of jihadi organisations, and al-Qaeda is just one of > them. The state has different policies towards different types of group > and that subtlety is often lost on Western policy-makers. > > "We expected a great deal of resistance and were met with a great deal > of resistance. There were many other people who were armed in the > compound," Mr Carney said. > > Bin Laden himself then resisted the troops and was shot dead, but was > not armed, he added. > > The CIA is already examining material seized in the raid, including > computer hard drives, DVDs and other documents. > > No decision had yet been taken on whether to release a photograph of > Bin Laden's body, Mr Carney said, conceding that the image was "pretty > gruesome" and could inflame some sensitivities. > > But Mr Panetta later said the government was in talks about the best > way to do so. > > "I don't think there was any question that ultimately a photograph > would be presented to the public," he said. > > An image which was widely distributed on the internet purporting to > show Bin Laden's corpse has been determined to be a fake. > > In a Time magazine article, billed as Mr Panetta's first interview > since Bin Laden was killed, he said the CIA had "ruled out participating > with its nominal South Asian ally early on". > > It reports him as saying that "it was decided that any effort to work > with the Pakistanis could jeopardise the mission. They might alert the > targets". > > Pakistan received $1.3bn (£786m) in US military and humanitarian > aid last year, and provides logistical support for the Nato mission in > Afghanistan. However, relations between Islamabad and Washington have > been strained by US suspicions that the ISI is covertly backing > militants in Afghanistan, and by anger over US drone strikes in > Pakistani tribal areas. > > Pakistan's foreign ministry has defended the ISI and issued a lengthy > statement in which it expressed "deep concerns and reservations" about > the unilateral US action. > > Insisting that unilateral action should not become the norm, the > ministry stressed that Pakistani intelligence had been sharing > information with the US in recent years. > > "As far as the target compound is concerned, ISI had been sharing > information with CIA and other friendly intelligence agencies since > 2009." > > White House Press Secretary Jay Carney: Bin Laden not armed, but did > resist > > Earlier, an ISI official told the BBC's Owen Bennett-Jones in > Islamabad that the agency raided the compound in Abbottabad, just 100km > (62 miles) from the capital, when it was under construction. It was > believed an al-Qaeda operative, Abu Faraj al-Libi, was there. > > But since then, "the compound was not on our radar, it is an > embarrassment for the ISI", the official said. "We're good, but we're > not God." > > The compound is just a few hundred metres from the Pakistan Military > Academy - the country's equivalent of Sandhurst or West Point. > > The US has not commented on anyone it captured or had planned to > capture, other than saying it had taken Bin Laden's body. > > However, the Pakistani foreign ministry statement said that the rest > of Bin Laden's family are now "in safe hands and being looked after in > accordance with the law". > > Earlier, in an opinion piece in the Washington Post, President Asif > Ali Zardari admitted Bin Laden "was not anywhere we had anticipated he > would be". > > But he denied the killing suggested Pakistan was failing in its > efforts to tackle terrorism. > > > --- In [email protected], "ndeboost" rambitesemak@ wrote: > > > > Jadi tukang kopas Pak? > > Sono, ajar dulu sama @mBoong. > > > > 'dah ga cerita gluk-gluk-gluk lagi Pak? > > > > --- In [email protected], "Jusfiq" <kesayangan.allah@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > 3 May 2011 Last updated at 22:45 GMT > > > > > > > > > Bin Laden 'was shot unarmed' - US > > > > > > The BBC's Orla Guerin looks around the perimeter of Bin Laden's > > > compound > > > > > > > > > Al-Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden was unarmed when he was killed by US > > > troops on Sunday after resisting capture, the White House has said. > > > > > > The CIA said it did not tell Pakistan about the raid in advance over > > > fears they would jeopardise the mission. > > > > > > Pakistan denies any prior knowledge of the raid - its intelligence > > > agency says it is embarrassed by its failures. > > > > > > US officials say they have not yet decided when to release the > > > "gruesome" photos of Bin Laden's body. > > > > > > But CIA director Leon Panetta told NBC News there was "no question" > > > the image would be released at some point. > > > > > > Bin Laden, aged 54, was the founder and leader of al-Qaeda. He is > > > believed to have ordered the attacks on New York and Washington on 11 > > > September 2001, as well as a number of other deadly bombings. > > > Al-Qaeda clues > > > > > > White House spokesman Jay Carney said Bin Laden's wife "rushed" the > > > first US assaulter who entered the room where they were, and was shot in > > > the leg but not killed. > > > > > > On Monday, White House officials said the woman was killed in the > > > firefight after Bin Laden used her as a human shield. > > > > > > They later said one woman had died in the raid but had been "caught in > > > the crossfire". Two couriers were also killed. > > > Continue reading the main story > > > Analysis > > > image of Owen Bennett Jones Owen Bennett Jones BBC News, Islamabad > > > > > > Clearly there were people helping Bin Laden in this location... were > > > they state employees, were they simply from Taliban-related groups, were > > > they from the intelligence agencies? > > > > > > For all Americans may ask the questions, I doubt they will get any > > > answers. There will be ambiguity about this and the Pakistanis will deny > > > they had any knowledge whatsoever. > > > > > > The establishment here is made up of army leadership, intelligence > > > agency leadership and some senior civil servants, and they have always > > > run Pakistan, whether democratic governments or military governments, > > > and those people do have connections with jihadis. > > > > > > The difficulty the West has is in appreciating there are more than 20 > > > different types of jihadi organisations, and al-Qaeda is just one of > > > them. The state has different policies towards different types of group > > > and that subtlety is often lost on Western policy-makers. > > > > > > "We expected a great deal of resistance and were met with a great deal > > > of resistance. There were many other people who were armed in the > > > compound," Mr Carney said. > > > > > > Bin Laden himself then resisted the troops and was shot dead, but was > > > not armed, he added. > > > > > > The CIA is already examining material seized in the raid, including > > > computer hard drives, DVDs and other documents. > > > > > > No decision had yet been taken on whether to release a photograph of > > > Bin Laden's body, Mr Carney said, conceding that the image was "pretty > > > gruesome" and could inflame some sensitivities. > > > > > > But Mr Panetta later said the government was in talks about the best > > > way to do so. > > > > > > "I don't think there was any question that ultimately a photograph > > > would be presented to the public," he said. > > > > > > An image which was widely distributed on the internet purporting to > > > show Bin Laden's corpse has been determined to be a fake. > > > > > > In a Time magazine article, billed as Mr Panetta's first interview > > > since Bin Laden was killed, he said the CIA had "ruled out participating > > > with its nominal South Asian ally early on". > > > > > > It reports him as saying that "it was decided that any effort to work > > > with the Pakistanis could jeopardise the mission. They might alert the > > > targets". > > > > > > Pakistan received $1.3bn (£786m) in US military and humanitarian > > > aid last year, and provides logistical support for the Nato mission in > > > Afghanistan. However, relations between Islamabad and Washington have > > > been strained by US suspicions that the ISI is covertly backing > > > militants in Afghanistan, and by anger over US drone strikes in > > > Pakistani tribal areas. > > > > > > Pakistan's foreign ministry has defended the ISI and issued a lengthy > > > statement in which it expressed "deep concerns and reservations" about > > > the unilateral US action. > > > > > > Insisting that unilateral action should not become the norm, the > > > ministry stressed that Pakistani intelligence had been sharing > > > information with the US in recent years. > > > > > > "As far as the target compound is concerned, ISI had been sharing > > > information with CIA and other friendly intelligence agencies since > > > 2009." > > > > > > White House Press Secretary Jay Carney: Bin Laden not armed, but did > > > resist > > > > > > Earlier, an ISI official told the BBC's Owen Bennett-Jones in > > > Islamabad that the agency raided the compound in Abbottabad, just 100km > > > (62 miles) from the capital, when it was under construction. It was > > > believed an al-Qaeda operative, Abu Faraj al-Libi, was there. > > > > > > But since then, "the compound was not on our radar, it is an > > > embarrassment for the ISI", the official said. "We're good, but we're > > > not God." > > > > > > The compound is just a few hundred metres from the Pakistan Military > > > Academy - the country's equivalent of Sandhurst or West Point. > > > > > > The US has not commented on anyone it captured or had planned to > > > capture, other than saying it had taken Bin Laden's body. > > > > > > However, the Pakistani foreign ministry statement said that the rest > > > of Bin Laden's family are now "in safe hands and being looked after in > > > accordance with the law". > > > > > > Earlier, in an opinion piece in the Washington Post, President Asif > > > Ali Zardari admitted Bin Laden "was not anywhere we had anticipated he > > > would be". > > > > > > But he denied the killing suggested Pakistan was failing in its > > > efforts to tackle terrorism. > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "ndeboost" <rambitesemak@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Mana 3M-nya keselain umat Islam, Pak? > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Jusfiq" <kesayangan.allah@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > 3 May 2011 Last updated at 22:45 GMT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bin Laden 'was shot unarmed' - US > > > > > > > > > > The BBC's Orla Guerin looks around the perimeter of Bin Laden's > > > > compound > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Al-Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden was unarmed when he was killed by US > > > > troops on Sunday after resisting capture, the White House has said. > > > > > > > > > > The CIA said it did not tell Pakistan about the raid in advance over > > > > fears they would jeopardise the mission. > > > > > > > > > > Pakistan denies any prior knowledge of the raid - its intelligence > > > > agency says it is embarrassed by its failures. > > > > > > > > > > US officials say they have not yet decided when to release the > > > > "gruesome" photos of Bin Laden's body. > > > > > > > > > > But CIA director Leon Panetta told NBC News there was "no question" > > > > the image would be released at some point. > > > > > > > > > > Bin Laden, aged 54, was the founder and leader of al-Qaeda. He is > > > > believed to have ordered the attacks on New York and Washington on 11 > > > > September 2001, as well as a number of other deadly bombings. > > > > > Al-Qaeda clues > > > > > > > > > > White House spokesman Jay Carney said Bin Laden's wife "rushed" the > > > > first US assaulter who entered the room where they were, and was shot in > > > > the leg but not killed. > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, White House officials said the woman was killed in the > > > > firefight after Bin Laden used her as a human shield. > > > > > > > > > > They later said one woman had died in the raid but had been "caught in > > > > the crossfire". Two couriers were also killed. > > > > > Continue reading the main story > > > > > Analysis > > > > > image of Owen Bennett Jones Owen Bennett Jones BBC News, Islamabad > > > > > > > > > > Clearly there were people helping Bin Laden in this location... were > > > > they state employees, were they simply from Taliban-related groups, were > > > > they from the intelligence agencies? > > > > > > > > > > For all Americans may ask the questions, I doubt they will get any > > > > answers. There will be ambiguity about this and the Pakistanis will deny > > > > they had any knowledge whatsoever. > > > > > > > > > > The establishment here is made up of army leadership, intelligence > > > > agency leadership and some senior civil servants, and they have always > > > > run Pakistan, whether democratic governments or military governments, > > > > and those people do have connections with jihadis. > > > > > > > > > > The difficulty the West has is in appreciating there are more than 20 > > > > different types of jihadi organisations, and al-Qaeda is just one of > > > > them. The state has different policies towards different types of group > > > > and that subtlety is often lost on Western policy-makers. > > > > > > > > > > "We expected a great deal of resistance and were met with a great deal > > > > of resistance. There were many other people who were armed in the > > > > compound," Mr Carney said. > > > > > > > > > > Bin Laden himself then resisted the troops and was shot dead, but was > > > > not armed, he added. > > > > > > > > > > The CIA is already examining material seized in the raid, including > > > > computer hard drives, DVDs and other documents. > > > > > > > > > > No decision had yet been taken on whether to release a photograph of > > > > Bin Laden's body, Mr Carney said, conceding that the image was "pretty > > > > gruesome" and could inflame some sensitivities. > > > > > > > > > > But Mr Panetta later said the government was in talks about the best > > > > way to do so. > > > > > > > > > > "I don't think there was any question that ultimately a photograph > > > > would be presented to the public," he said. > > > > > > > > > > An image which was widely distributed on the internet purporting to > > > > show Bin Laden's corpse has been determined to be a fake. > > > > > > > > > > In a Time magazine article, billed as Mr Panetta's first interview > > > > since Bin Laden was killed, he said the CIA had "ruled out participating > > > > with its nominal South Asian ally early on". > > > > > > > > > > It reports him as saying that "it was decided that any effort to work > > > > with the Pakistanis could jeopardise the mission. They might alert the > > > > targets". > > > > > > > > > > Pakistan received $1.3bn (£786m) in US military and humanitarian > > > > aid last year, and provides logistical support for the Nato mission in > > > > Afghanistan. However, relations between Islamabad and Washington have > > > > been strained by US suspicions that the ISI is covertly backing > > > > militants in Afghanistan, and by anger over US drone strikes in > > > > Pakistani tribal areas. > > > > > > > > > > Pakistan's foreign ministry has defended the ISI and issued a lengthy > > > > statement in which it expressed "deep concerns and reservations" about > > > > the unilateral US action. > > > > > > > > > > Insisting that unilateral action should not become the norm, the > > > > ministry stressed that Pakistani intelligence had been sharing > > > > information with the US in recent years. > > > > > > > > > > "As far as the target compound is concerned, ISI had been sharing > > > > information with CIA and other friendly intelligence agencies since > > > > 2009." > > > > > > > > > > White House Press Secretary Jay Carney: Bin Laden not armed, but did > > > > resist > > > > > > > > > > Earlier, an ISI official told the BBC's Owen Bennett-Jones in > > > > Islamabad that the agency raided the compound in Abbottabad, just 100km > > > > (62 miles) from the capital, when it was under construction. It was > > > > believed an al-Qaeda operative, Abu Faraj al-Libi, was there. > > > > > > > > > > But since then, "the compound was not on our radar, it is an > > > > embarrassment for the ISI", the official said. "We're good, but we're > > > > not God." > > > > > > > > > > The compound is just a few hundred metres from the Pakistan Military > > > > Academy - the country's equivalent of Sandhurst or West Point. > > > > > > > > > > The US has not commented on anyone it captured or had planned to > > > > capture, other than saying it had taken Bin Laden's body. > > > > > > > > > > However, the Pakistani foreign ministry statement said that the rest > > > > of Bin Laden's family are now "in safe hands and being looked after in > > > > accordance with the law". > > > > > > > > > > Earlier, in an opinion piece in the Washington Post, President Asif > > > > Ali Zardari admitted Bin Laden "was not anywhere we had anticipated he > > > > would be". > > > > > > > > > > But he denied the killing suggested Pakistan was failing in its > > > > efforts to tackle terrorism. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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