Pada umumnya orang ganti agama; terus larena ingin dipercaya agama barunya; lanras jelek2kan aga,a terdahulu. Maka kalau ada yang mengancam mau membunuhnya; buat saya ya wajar sajalah. Bagaimana dalam praktek ? Saya jugatak mengetahuinya. Karena banyak sekali kini yang jadi Arheis tapi tetap pura2 Islam?!
Jado sulit memang menentukannya; malah banyak yang sebenarnyasudah tak percaya Tuhan; tapi tetap dianggap Islam. Ya kata orang tsb silakan saja ! Masa kini antara orang Islam yang benar2 dn pura2 tak jelas ! --- On Thu, 8/9/11, widura <[email protected]> wrote: From: widura <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [proletar] Jihad cornered but intolerance rising To: [email protected] Received: Thursday, 8 September, 2011, 4:58 AM Bas, kalo ada orang pindah agama, emang yg di tohok siapa bas ?...koq kayanya ente gampang bener ya mikir buat ngilangin nyawa orang ?..main hukum mati aja cuma gara gara pindah agama...terus kalo ada yg pindah warga negara, bercerai dari suami isteri, pindah kerja dsb, harus dihukum berat juga ??...karena dianggap berkhianat ??...kaya anggota geng aja... -----Original Message----- From: Abbas Amin <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 13:44:23 To: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [proletar] Jihad cornered but intolerance rising Oh iyalah; kan memang aturannya begitu ; mana ada pengkhianat dibiarkan enak2. Bukan di Islam saja; dimanapun juga yang menohok kawan sering wajar dihukum berat. --- On Wed, 7/9/11, widura <[email protected]> wrote: From: widura <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [proletar] Jihad cornered but intolerance rising To: [email protected] Received: Wednesday, 7 September, 2011, 5:22 AM Buseeetttt.....bengis amat... -----Original Message----- From: Abbas Amin <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 13:07:43 To: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [proletar] Jihad cornered but intolerance rising Semua pengkhianat harus dihukum BERAT; termasuk hukuman MATI ! --- On Mon, 5/9/11, item abu <[email protected]> wrote: From: item abu <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [proletar] Jihad cornered but intolerance rising To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Received: Monday, 5 September, 2011, 3:21 AM Emangnya, kalo banyak pengikutnya, lalu agamanya benar? Tolol amat sih lu ini. Kalo emang Islam itu agama yg benar, kenapa orang murtad hrs dibunuh nurut Islam? >________________________________ >From: Abbas Amin <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Monday, September 5, 2011 9:48 AM >Subject: Re: [proletar] Jihad cornered but intolerance rising > > > >Dan Islam dri awal sudah mau dilenyapkan darimuka bumi. >Entah kenapa dari satu bisa menjadi milyaran !!!!!! > >--- On Sun, 4/9/11, item abu <[email protected]> wrote: > >From: item abu <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [proletar] Jihad cornered but intolerance rising >To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >Received: Sunday, 4 September, 2011, 10:06 PM > > > >> ''Islam has contributed so much to the democratisation of Indonesia. > >This must be emphasised,'' says Ulil, the founder of the Liberal Islam > >Network and himself a target of Indonesian terrorists. > >Hehehe... biasa, orang Islam ngibul gede2an. Apa kontribusi Islam atas >demokratisasi Indonesia? Minus, krn Islam udah nindas agama lain selama >puluhan thn. > >>________________________________ > >>From: Sunny <[email protected]> > >>To: [email protected] > >>Sent: Monday, September 5, 2011 6:45 PM > >>Subject: [proletar] Jihad cornered but intolerance rising > >> > >> > >> > >>http://www.smh.com.au/world/jihad-cornered-but-intolerance-rising-20110904-1jsdb.html > >>Jihad cornered but intolerance rising > >>September 5, 2011 > >> > >>Changing face of Islam in Indonesia ... Muslims gather for Friday prayers at >>Istiqlal mosque in Jakarta, one of the largest in south-east Asia. Photo: >>Irwin Fedriansyah > >> > >>Authorities are placating extremists, writes Tom Allard in Indonesia. > >> > >>Ulil Abshar Abdalla is one of Indonesia's most perceptive intellectuals, a >>Harvard-educated Islamic reformer and an adviser to the President, Susilo >>Bambang Yudhoyono. > >> > >>When asked what has happened to Islam in Indonesia since the September 11 >>attacks, he says: ''I think there has been a trend towards intolerance … >>there is also a trend towards tolerance.'' > >> > >>It's an odd response, but it captures succinctly the vexing paradox that lies >>within Australia's near neighbour and the nation with the world's largest >>Muslim population. > >> > >>Erik de Hart consoles Bill McNeil after losing many of their Coogee Dolphins >>teammates in the bombings. Photo: Dallas Kilponen > >> > >>After emerging as the fulcrum of the global jihadist movement in south-east >>Asia in 2002 when the twin nightclub bombings in Bali killed and maimed >>hundreds, Indonesia can rightly point to impressive counter-terrorism >>successes. > >> > >>Hundreds have been arrested and dozens of plots have been foiled. The radical >>cleric Abu Bakar Bashir has been handed a long prison term while almost every >>other terrorist leader of note has either been killed or arrested. > >> > >>A tiny minority remains inspired by al-Qaeda and poses an enduring threat but >>the campaign to spread the ideology of offensive jihad against Western >>infidels and their lackeys to achieve an Islamic caliphate has been >>comprehensively rejected. > >> > >>''Islam has contributed so much to the democratisation of Indonesia. This >>must be emphasised,'' says Ulil, the founder of the Liberal Islam Network and >>himself a target of Indonesian terrorists. > >> > >>''Most Muslims here understand that religion is a system of morality, an >>ethical system, and that politics is not part of the essential teaching of >>religion. > >> > >>''The popularity of this proposal of the adoption of sharia in our national >>law is withering away, it's fading.'' > >> > >>Indonesia's Islamic parties were rebuffed at the polls in 2009, and its most >>potent Islamist political force, the Prosperous Justice Party, recently >>formally adopted pluralism as a core principle in its platform. > >> > >>But while Indonesian authorities remain vigilant in pursuing terrorists, they >>seem incapable and, worse, unwilling to address another, arguably more >>pernicious form of religious radicalism. > >> > >>Rather than explosives, these mobs of militants will use machetes, stones or >>tins of petrol to attack perceived deviants and destroy houses of worship. > >> > >>The increase in violence has been particularly pronounced against members of >>the Ahmadiyah Islamic sect, whose followers believe the Indian religious >>figure Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was a messiah who followed the Prophet Muhammad. > >> > >>In the western Javanese province of Banten, a frenzied mob attacked an >>Ahmadiyah house and killed three men in February. The 12 accused, including a >>teenager caught on film bludgeoning a man to death with a stone, got >>sentences ranging between three and six months. > >> > >>The light sentences, some argue, reflected local factors. The verdict was >>handed down by judges in a district court in one of Indonesia's traditional >>hardline Islamic heartlands. About 2000 locals voiced support for the accused >>and intimidated the judges and prosecutors throughout the trial. > >> > >>But the argument that the case is an anomaly is hard to square against the >>increase in communal violence, invariably attacks by Islamic fundamentalists >>on Ahmadis and Christians. > >> > >>Recent research by the Pew Research Centre found Indonesia was one of two >>countries that had recorded significant increases in both religious >>restrictions and incidents of social hostilities in the past five years. > >> > >>Harder still to reconcile with the notion that Indonesia remains abidingly >>tolerant is the tepid response from Indonesia's political elites to the rise >>in religious violence and, in particular, the attacks and court proceedings >>in Banten. > >> > >>President Yudhoyono failed to condemn the verdicts, citing the need to >>respect the rule of law. > >> > >>If Islamists are failing to make any political inroads, and Indonesian >>Muslims are overwhelmingly moderate, why does Indonesia's political class >>refuse to speak clearly and loudly for the country's secular constitution >>that recognises freedom of religion? Could it be they have made a political >>calculation that attacks on minorities are popular? > >> > >>''It's because conservatives are very clever in framing the debate in black >>and white terms,'' argues Yenny Wahid, the daughter of Indonesia's former >>president and moderate Islamic cleric Abdurrahman Wahid and a rare, >>uncompromising voice for tolerance. > >> > >>''For example, if you condemn attacks on Ahmadiyah, then you are not a good >>follower of the Prophet Muhammad. So politicians are afraid to speak out >>because they don't want to appear un-Islamic.'' > >> > >>Wahid says a steady influx of money from the Middle East to fund mosques and >>schools has had an impact. > >> > >>The new breed of conservative clerics are not only cashed up, she says, they >>are passionate, noisy and activist. > >> > >>When Yudhoyono speaks about maintaining harmony, he sometimes talks about the >>need to placate militants, rather than defending diversity. > >> > >>Asked about perceptions by the American interviewer Charlie Rose that the >>Indonesian state was weak in protecting religious minorities, Yudhoyono >>replied: ''Of course, I have to maintain the climate of brotherhood here in >>Indonesia, because the majority of the population are Muslim, so I try to >>maintain their feelings.'' > >> > >>Wahid counters that ''this policy of appeasement won't work''. ''In the >>short-term, it may create a measure of stability that the government needs,'' >>she says. ''But it gives [conservatives] too much power. The greater good is >>sacrificed. We have to worry about where this will lead us in the future.'' > >> > >>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Post message: [email protected] Subscribe : [email protected] Unsubscribe : [email protected] List owner : [email protected] Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! 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