Jadi si Teddy ini Kristen? Hehehe.... gua koq ga pernah tau ada orang Kristen yg punya prinsip main balas + bunga.
Makanya, si Teddy itu ga berani bilang apa agamanya, krn kalo bener agamanya Kristen, maka si Teddy udah kepergok sbg orang bejad nurut ajaran Kristen. >________________________________ > From: Bukan Pedanda <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 2:07 PM >Subject: [proletar] Re: Definisi untuk mobil mewah (Teddy bangsat itu, >katanya, tidak peduli..) > > > > >Ya sudah terbukti bahwa tabiat Teddy itu persis sama busuknya dengan orang >Islam disini yang berdiam diri dihadapan teror Islam terhadap minoritas... > >Agar jelas: orang Nasrani yang berhati-hati tapi terus berusaha mempertahankan >haknya bukan orang Nasrani yang pengecut.. > >Yang pengecut itu adalah oportunis bertabit nista lagi menjijikkan seperti >anda yang berdiam diri dihadapan penindasan orang Islam terhadap minoritas dan >dihadapan ketidak adilan di Indonesia. > >--- In [email protected], "Teddy S." <teddyr@...> wrote: >> >> Kalau sebelumnya itu baru berupa tuduhan, sekarang sudah terbukti >> berdasarkan hasil pengakuannya sendiri. Kurang jelas apa lagi? >> >> >> --- In [email protected], "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@> wrote: >> > >> > >> > Persis kayak Roman Proteus yang sedeng: item abu, katanya, adalah >> > pengecut... >> > >> > Makin jelas bahwa memang banyak persamaan antara Teddy ini dengan orang >> > Islam disini... >> > >> > >> > --- In [email protected], "Teddy S." <teddyr@> wrote: >> > > >> > > Pengecut!!! (ala film-film Amerika dengan diiringi nada-nada dari lagu >> > > kebangsaan Perancis, La Marseillaise). >> > > >> > > >> > > --- In [email protected], item abu <itemabu@> wrote: >> > > > >> > > > Hehehe ... gua sih ga heran kalo si Teddy bisa galak dan buas kalo >> > > > ngebela kepentingannya sendiri. Anjing jg bisa galak kalo tulangnya >> > > > mau diambil anjing lain. >> > > > >> > > > Tp si Teddy ini lebih rendah dr anjing krn ga tau malu padahal anjing >> > > > itu mash tahu malu. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >________________________________ >> > > > > From: Teddy S. <teddyr@> >> > > > >To: [email protected] >> > > > >Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 3:00 AM >> > > > >Subject: [proletar] Re: Definisi untuk mobil mewah (Teddy bangsat >> > > > >itu, katanya, tidak peduli..) >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >Apakah pejabat tersebut menyadarinya? Itu perbuatan yang sama >> > > > >sia-sianya dengan membenturkan kepala sendiri ke tembok. Saat saya >> > > > >dulu berurusan dengan pawai Pemilu Partai Golkar, rombongan tersebut >> > > > >saya kejar hingga ke markas mereka di Menteng, Jakarta. Saya temui >> > > > >kepala rombongan mereka, saya jelaskan masalahnya dan saya tuntut >> > > > >permohonan maaf dengan memberikan nama dan alamat di mana sang kepala >> > > > >rombongan berjanji untuk mengirim orang ke rumah. Itu contoh yang >> > > > >langsung bisa dirasakan pejabat terkait. Protege anda ini luar biasa >> > > > >pengecutnya. >> > > > > >> > > > >Satu hal, saya di sini bekerja dan bisa dikatakan kontribusi saya >> > > > >melebihi semua fasilitas yang kami terima. Sebetulnya saya lebih >> > > > >menghendaki sistem perpajakan seperti di AS berlaku di Australia di >> > > > >mana potongan pajak jauh lebih rendah. >> > > > > >> > > > >Simpan kata-kata busuk anda bagi orang-orang yang ongkang-ongkang >> > > > >kaki tanpa bekerja dengan memanfaatkan uang pajak orang banyak. >> > > > > >> > > > >--- In [email protected], "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@> >> > > > >wrote: >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> Pertama: menolak undangan bedebah, seerti yagn dilakukan item abu >> > > > >> itu artinya tidak berdiam diri dihadapan kejahatan yang dilakukan >> > > > >> bedebah itu. >> > > > >> >> > > > >> Kedua: sepanjang yang menyangkut kegiatan saya sejak tahun 1972 >> > > > >> hingga Orde Naru jatuh, saya bisa bilang, disamping mendiang Ernst >> > > > >> Utrecht dan sahabat saya Lim, saya adalah orang Indonesia yang dari >> > > > >> negeri Belanda yang ikut mendukung usaha orang di Indonesia >> > > > >> menjatuhkan Orde Baru. >> > > > >> >> > > > >> Saya tidak sekedar bersenang-senang di negeri orang menikmati >> > > > >> jaminan sosial dan jaminan ksehatan yagn aduhai seperti anda yagn >> > > > >> adalah manusia oportunis yang bertabiat busuk, nista lagi >> > > > >> menjijikkan. >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> --- In [email protected], "Teddy S." <teddyr@> wrote: >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > Ha ha ha. >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > Tidak datang memenuhi undangan dan membenturkan kepala sendiri ke >> > > > >> > tembok itu sama-sama tak ada artinya. >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > Coba anda bercermin diri dan melihat apakah ada perubahan besar >> > > > >> > yang telah terjadi di Indonesia yang merupakan hasil "perjuangan" >> > > > >> > anda selama ini? >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > Di sini semuanya tidak gratis dan malahan saya masih menyumbang >> > > > >> > orang lain. Sementara ada cukup banyak yang menjadi 'dole >> > > > >> > bludgers' yang sebagiannya enak-enak berselancar tiap harinya. >> > > > >> > Anda kira orang-orang ini pantas menerima santunan? >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > --- In [email protected], "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@> >> > > > >> > wrote: >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > "item abu" menyatakan pendapatnya dengan tidak datang memenuhi >> > > > >> > > undangan yang disampaikan kepadanya.. >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > Ini satu. >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > Yagn kedua: anda itu oportunis busuk, nisgtfa lagi menjijikkan >> > > > >> > > karena anda enak-enak hidup di negeri yang punya jaminan sosial >> > > > >> > > dan jaminan kesehatan yagn aduhai, hasil perjuangan orang yang >> > > > >> > > peduli akan kesenjangan sosial, lalua nda bicara tentang mobil >> > > > >> > > mewah dan anda tidak peduli dengan kejahatan yang dilakukan >> > > > >> > > oleh para bedebah yang menjarah khasanah negara Indonsia - >> > > > >> > > sembari merek menghina korban jarahannnnya yang jadi melarat >> > > > >> > > dengan petatagng petiting dengan mobil mewah hasil jarahannya. >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > Anda itu betulk-betul adalah bangsat oppotunis busuk, nista >> > > > >> > > lagi menjijikkan. >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > --- In [email protected], "Teddy S." <teddyr@> wrote: >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Tidak usah jauh-jauh, tuh protege satu-satunya kebanggan anda >> > > > >> > > > tidak berani mengungkapkan pendapatnya sendiri pada tetangga >> > > > >> > > > yang tinggal di depan rumahnya. Itu yang jelas-jelas langkah >> > > > >> > > > yang merupakan feedback langsung dan mungkin, ini sih masih >> > > > >> > > > mungkin bisa memberikan perubahan. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Apa haknya saya mencampuri yang bukan wewenang saya karena >> > > > >> > > > mereka tidak mewakili saya? Anda mau mencampuri, maka itu >> > > > >> > > > urusan anda sendiri. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Saya membayar restribusi untuk semua fasilitas yang saya dan >> > > > >> > > > ibu saya terima di Australia. Kalau dihitung hingga dengan >> > > > >> > > > sen-sen yang dikeluarkan, maka kontribusi saya selama ini >> > > > >> > > > masih lebih banyak daripada nilai fasilitas yang didapat. >> > > > >> > > > Jadi ini tidak gratis dan saya malah menyumbang untuk orang >> > > > >> > > > lain selama ini. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Jadi fasilitas ini tidak gratis dan saya membayar penuh. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > --- In [email protected], "Bukan Pedanda" >> > > > >> > > > <bukan.pedanda@> wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Betul-betul bajingan tengik. >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Betul-betul bangsat keparat. >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Betul-betul manusia oportunis bertabiat busuk, nista lagi >> > > > >> > > > > menjijikkan. >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Bukan urusannya, katanya, pejabat Indonesia menjarah >> > > > >> > > > > khasanah negara Indonesia dan menjadikan Indonesia dedel >> > > > >> > > > > duwel lalu menghina korban jarahannnya yang >> > > > >> > > > > dimelaratkannnya sembari petatang petiting pamer mobil >> > > > >> > > > > mewah dan pamer kekayaan.. >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Saat dia, Teddy, menikmati jaminan kesehatan yang aduhai di >> > > > >> > > > > Austrlia, hasil perjuangan orang Australia yang seperti >> > > > >> > > > > item abu peduli terhadap kesenjangan sosial. >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Selanjutnya: tidak peduli dengan adanya kejahatan yang >> > > > >> > > > > dilakukan pejabat bedebah di Indonesia itu hakekatnya >> > > > >> > > > > berpihak kepada pejabat penjahat itu. >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > --- In [email protected], "Teddy S." <teddyr@> wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > Ada perbedaan besar antara berfihak dan tidak peduli. >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Bukan Pedanda" >> > > > >> > > > > > <bukan.pedanda@> wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > Asyik... >> > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > Sekarang Teddy berpihak kepada penguasa bedebah di >> > > > >> > > > > > > Indonesia yang petatang petiting pamer hasil jarahan >> > > > >> > > > > > > mereka... >> > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > Dan di Indonesia mobil mahal itu adalah sinonim dengan >> > > > >> > > > > > > mobil mewah... >> > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Teddy S." <teddyr@> >> > > > >> > > > > > > wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > Gawat, si belegug ini kagak bisa menyimak. >> > > > >> > > > > > > > Lu jelas-jelas terobsesi dengan mobil-mobil mewah di >> > > > >> > > > > > > > mana lu punya definisi sendiri untuk yang namanya >> > > > >> > > > > > > > mobil-mobil mewah. Buat lu asal harganya relatif >> > > > >> > > > > > > > mahal, maka itu pastilah mobil mewah. Padahal >> > > > >> > > > > > > > mobil-mobil pejabat yang lu recokin itu tidak >> > > > >> > > > > > > > termasuk kategori mobil-mobil mewah dalam definisi >> > > > >> > > > > > > > standar seperti yang disebutkan dalam WIKIPEDIA. >> > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > Gua dalam hal ini tidak terlibat. Hak sang pejabat >> > > > >> > > > > > > > untuk punya mobil apapun juga. Gua sih sama sekali >> > > > >> > > > > > > > tidak peduli karena bukan urusan gua. >> > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], item abu <itemabu@> >> > > > >> > > > > > > > wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > Hehehe.. si keparat Teddy ini muter2 lidah dan >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > nambah dosanya dgn bikin fitnah baru. >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > Gua cuma minta si Teddy ngebuktikan ocehannya >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > sendiri, lalu si Teddy ngoceh seolah2 gua pernah >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > ngelarang dia make duitnya sendiri. Kapan tuh gua >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > pernah ngelarang si Teddy make duitnya sendiri >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > sesuka hatinya? Yg gua bilang adalah si Teddy >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > adalah bajingan rakus dan serakah, bajingan yg ga >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > peduli dgn orang lain, bukan ngelarang si Teddy >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > make duit sesuka hatinya. >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > Udah jelas si Teddy ini ga bisa ngebuktikan >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > ocehannya, tp dasar bajingan ga tau malu, dia msh >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > ga mau ngaku bhw mulutnya adalah lobang taik, >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > padahal dia sendiri yg bilang kalo orang ga bisa >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > ngebuktikan omongannya, maka ybs itu bermulut >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > lobang taik. >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > Emang tuh, dr mulut anjing ga akan tumbuh gading. >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >________________________________ >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > From: Teddy S. <teddyr@> >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >To: [email protected] >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 7:03 AM >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >Subject: [proletar] Re: Definisi untuk mobil mewah >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >Gua kagak pernah secara explisit menyebut >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >mobil-mobil mewah seperti yang lu lakukan. Peduli >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >amat dengan orang-orang yang memilikinya, karena >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >itu urusan pribadi orang. Hak orang untuk punya >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >dan yang pasti duitnya bukan dari lu. >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >--- In [email protected], item abu >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > ><itemabu@> wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> Dan lu kaing2 gua terobsesi oleh mobil mewah. >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> Dasar mulut lobang taik lu ini. >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >________________________________ >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > From: Teddy S. <teddyr@> >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >To: [email protected] >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 4:45 AM >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >Subject: [proletar] Re: Definisi untuk mobil >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >mewah >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >Terjemahan dari google karena takutnya >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >kesulitan menterjemahkan: >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> Ada mobil ultra-tinggi kinerja dari "merek >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> eksotis" yang juga melebihi US $ 100.000, >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> tetapi belum tentu dikategorikan sebagai >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> mobil mewah, seperti sebagai mobil sport >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> dari Ferrari, Lamborghini dan Porsche, >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> meskipun Porsche Panamera bersaing dalam >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> kemewahan high-end / ukuran penuh kategori >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> mewah. >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >--- In [email protected], "Teddy S." >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> ><teddyr@> wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> Sudah terbukti anda yang dungu tapi tidak mau >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> langsung mengaku dan orang yang berotak >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> busuk, nista lagi menjijikan adalah orang >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> yang fikiran-fikirannya saling bertentangan >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> dan hanya mementingkan glorifikasi pribadi >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> sendiri. >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> Baca dengan cermat DEFINISI mobil mewah di >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> mana unsur HARGA bukanlah satu-satunya >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> kriteria. Semua orang normal akan tahu bahwa >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> Ferrari itu merk sebuah mobil sport. >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> Kalau memang anda cermerlang tentunya anda >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> akan mampu merubah definisi yang diberikan >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> WIKIPEDIA hingga WIKIPEDIA mau meralat dan >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> memasukan Ferrari sebagai salah satu mobil >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> yang termasuk dalam klasifikasi mobil mewah. >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> Saya tantang anda untuk melakukan hal itu >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> terhadap WIKIPEDIA. >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> Sekali lagi untuk yang diragukan apakah >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> mereka punya mata atau cuma baso doang. >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > There are ultra-high performance cars >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > from "exotic brands" that also exceed >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > US$100,000, but would not necessarily be >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > categorized as luxury automobiles, such >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > as the sports cars from Ferrari, >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Lamborghini and Porsche, although the >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Porsche Panamera does compete in the >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > high-end luxury/full-size luxury category. >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> --- In [email protected], "Bukan >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@> wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > Saya kutip, tanpa komentar karena begitu >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > jelas dungunya, referensi Teddy yang >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > adalah manusia oportunis berotak busuk, >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > nista lagi menjijikkan ini tentang mobil >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > mewah: >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > "Dengan demikian bisa dikatakan Ferrari >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > TIDAK termasuk kedalam kelas mobil >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > mewah, walau harganya sendiri relatif >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > mahal. " >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > --- In [email protected], "Teddy S." >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > <teddyr@> wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Aneh bin ajaib kalau ada orang yang >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > merasa dirinya demikian pintar dan rajin >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > menggugel dalam hal-hal lain, tapi masih >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > ngotot dengan definisinya sendiri atas >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > "mobil-mobil mewah". >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Mumpung masih pagi dan ada sedikit waktu, >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > jadi bolehlah sedikit berbelas kasihan >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > meluangkan waktu untuk membantu membuka >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > mata. >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > --- >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Luxury vehicle is a marketing term for a >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > vehicle that provides luxury â€" >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > pleasant or desirable features beyond >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > strict necessityâ€"at increased >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > expense (see: definition of luxury). The >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > term suggests a vehicle with greater >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > equipment, performance, construction >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > precision, comfort, design ingenuity, >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > technological innovation, or features >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > that convey brand image, cachet, status, >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > or prestigeâ€"or any other >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > discretionary feature or combination of >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > features. >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Luxury market segments >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Premium compact segment >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > The premium compact segment[clarification >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > needed] or small-luxury class is >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > relatively new, having been initiated by >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > several European brands in the mid-2000s, >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > and constitute the least expensive >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > offerings in their lineups. These cars >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > are targeted at a niche market of young >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > customers who have a more refined taste >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > in their automobiles and the means to pay >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > for them.[citation needed] By offering a >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > smaller, lighter, more fuel-efficient, >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > and less expensive vehicle, this serves >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > to introduce a younger customer to the >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury marque, in hopes of retaining the >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > coveted customer loyalty.[citation >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > needed] This includes the Audi A3, BMW 1 >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Series, Lexus CT, and Mercedes-Benz >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > B-Class. >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Premium compacts may share components >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > with mass market cars from the marque's >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > parent company (the A3), and/or have less >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > sophisticated platforms compared to >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > upmarket vehicles in the lineup (such as >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the B-Class). The body style tends to be >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > a hatchback or compact wagon, previously >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > associated with economy cars but >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > regaining popularity in the United States >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > for its afforded utility. The luxury >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > branding and style, high-quality interior >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > materials, wide range of convenience >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > features, and performance powertrains are >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > key to distinguishing them from mass >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > market equivalents (one mistake made by >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the Cadillac Cimarron) and making these >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > appeal to consumers. >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > The classification varies, for instance >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Consumer Guide Automotive in the US >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > considers the Audi A3 and A4 as part of >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the premium compact segment due to >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > similar size and MSRP, though these are >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > known in Europe as a small family car and >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > a compact executive car, respectively. >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Entry-level luxury/compact executive cars >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > The entry-level luxury category is also >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > known as the compact executive car in >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Britain and (Mittelklasse in German). In >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the US, this segment mostly includes the >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > bottom vehicles in the line-up of luxury >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > brands as well as the top-of-the-line >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > models of some non-luxury brands. >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Dimensionally, compact executive cars are >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > smaller than mid-size/large family cars, >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > and sometimes even smaller than compact >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > cars. Mass market compact cars typically >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > use the economical front wheel drive >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > transverse engine layout, well suited to >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the inline-4 engine, which also maximizes >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > interior room. Several compact executive >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > cars are rear-wheel drive with >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > longitudinal engines, for improved >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > stability and handling, and in order to >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > accommodate the larger size of >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > higher-performance engines (straight-6, >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > V6, rarely V8), with four-wheel drive >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > often being available. Compact executive >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > cars also tend have more complicated >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > independent suspensions, sportier >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > transmissions, and high revolution >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > engines that may require premium >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > gasoline. The more complex powertrain and >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > mechanical layouts of compact executive >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > cars comes at increased cost and reduced >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > interior passenger and trunk space. >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Compact executive cars include the Volvo >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > S60, Acura TSX, Lexus IS, BMW 3 Series, >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Audi A4, and Mercedes-Benz C-Class which >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > particularly emphasize sporty handling. >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Other vehicles such as the Lexus ES, >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Acura TL, Chrysler 300, and Buick >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > LaCrosse are also considered entry-level >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury in the United States and Canada, >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > being similar in price to the BMW 3 >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Series and Mercedes-Benz C-Class. >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > However, the ES, TL, and LaCrosse are not >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > sold in Europe and do not fall under >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > European luxury classifications. The ES >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > and TL actually began as badge engineered >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > versions of the midsize Toyota Camry and >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Honda Accord, respectively, retaining the >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > front wheel drive transverse engine >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > layout, whereas Toyota's current Lexus IS >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > does not share a platform with mass >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > market Toyota cars. The ES and TL are not >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > considered executive cars either, despite >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > similar dimensions, since executive cars >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > usually emphasize higher performance, >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > often being rear-wheel drive with >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > longitudinal engines. The present >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > iterations of the ES and LaCrosse >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > emphasize "comfortable, reasonably priced >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury", while the TL has recently been targeted at >> > > > the entry-level >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > luxury >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> sport market. >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Recently, the entry-level luxury has been >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > very competitive, and there has been >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > price-overlapping with well-equipped >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > non-luxury cars. The bestselling vehicles >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > of the marque are frequently compact >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > executive cars, such as the BMW 3 Series >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > that makes up 40% of the vehicles that >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > BMW sells worldwide. >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Mid-luxury/executive cars >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > The mid-luxury segment are commonly >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > referred to as executive cars in Britain, >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Obere Mittelklasse in German, and Grandes >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > RoutiÃÆ'¨res in French. Examples >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > include the Volvo S80, BMW 5 Series, >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Mercedes-Benz E-Class, and Jaguar XF >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Although having similar dimensions to >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > mid-size cars and large family cars, >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > executive cars are engineered and >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > positioned as premium vehicles with >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > better performance and technology >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > amenities. There are also higher >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > development and production costs, as many >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > well-known mid-luxury cars use the >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > longitudinal (usually front engine rear >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > wheel drive layout) engine mounting which >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > affords space for powerful engines such >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > as a V8, instead of the more economical >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > transverse engine layout of mass market >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > cars which are restricted to inline-4 or >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > V6. Executive cars usually have lower >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > sales and production volumes compared to >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > mid-size cars and large family cars, as >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > base trims with less equipment and >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > smaller engines are not sold in U.S. and >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Canadian markets. Also due to the problem >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > of steep depreciation, especially >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > concerning cars from less prestigious >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > brands, most executive cars are produced >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > by marques that specialize in larger/more expensive >> > > > vehicles. Particularly in >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> the United States, the mid-luxury segment is >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> dominated by Mercedes-Benz and BMW, as executive >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> cars from lesser-known manufacturers such as >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> CitroÃÆ'«n and Infiniti have not had much >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> success. >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Vehicles in this segment include the >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > mid-range models of several luxury car >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > manufacturers. There are also some >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > flagship sedans in this segment, such as >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the Acura RL and Infiniti M. Executive >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > cars such as the BMW 5 Series are crucial >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > to a luxury automaker's bottom line, and >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > although not the highest-selling model, >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > they generate a significant amount of >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > profits due to the lucrative technology >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > options. >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > High-end luxury/full-size luxury cars >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Also known as full-size luxury cars, >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > grand saloons, or premium large cars, >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > while "Oberklasse" is used in Germany. >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Many of these are the marque's showcases >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > for the newest automotive technology. >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Several nameplates also offer >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > long-wheelbase versions that offer >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > additional rear legroom and amenities. >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Full-size luxury cars sold in Canada and >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the U.S. typically have mid-displacement >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > V8 engines, though recently some marques >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > have offered six cylinder powerplants but >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > without much success. >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Vehicles in this category include some of >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the models from the flagship lines of >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury car brands. Examples include the >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ, Lexus >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > LS, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Phaeton, and in the US, the Lincoln Town >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Car and Cadillac DTS. >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Ultra-luxury cars >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > R.L. Polk and Company, a global >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > automotive information and marketing firm >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > that provides solutions to automotive and >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > related industries, has defined the term >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > "super luxury" segment for luxury cars >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > costing more than US$100,000. >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > This bracket includes the entire lineup >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > of Rolls Royce, Bentley, Aston Martin, >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Maybach, and Maserati, as these marques >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > do not offer lower-priced offerings in >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the entry-level luxury or mid-luxury >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > segments like more mainstream luxury >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > brands like BMW and Mercedes-Benz. >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Rolls Royce and Bentley have attempted to >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > move downmarket somewhat with offerings >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > priced considerably lower than their >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > traditional offerings (Rolls Royce >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Phantom and Bentley Mulsanne) such as the >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Rolls Royce Ghost and the Bentley >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Continental GT, creating what Car and >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Driver describes as the "entry-opulent >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > segment". Bentley, Maybach, and >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Rolls-Royce vehicles share platforms and >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > engines with other luxury brands from >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > their parent auto company, however >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Rolls-Royce and Bentley are assembled in >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > England (separate from the rest of BMW >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > and Volkswagen Group's production plants) >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > and this "exclusivity" has made these >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > British marques a sales success. By >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > comparison, Maybachs are built alongside >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the Mercedes-Benz S-Class flagship sedan >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > which has explained why it has not fared >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > well in the market, furthermore the >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Maybach's pedigree was virtually unknown >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > outside of Germany unlike its British >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > rivals which have long enjoyed renown worldwide. A >> > > > Bentley executive was >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> quoted as saying "that the brand's exclusivity, >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> history and obsessive luxury help to convince >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> customers that a Bentley is worth the price" >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> which is at least twice that of a flagship >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> luxury car from BMW or Mercedes-Benz. >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > The top-performing variants of flagship >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > cars from Audi, BMW, and Mercedes-Benz >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > are often included here as well. They >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > often have 12-cylinder (usually V12) >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > engines for great refinement and >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > smoothness, even though contemporary V8 >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > engines can make similar output while >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > being less expensive. While BMW sells far >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > fewer V12-engined 7-Series vehicles than >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > V8 versions, the V12 retains popularity >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > in the US, China, and Russia, as well as >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > maintaining the marque's prestige in the >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury vehicle market segment. These >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > ultra-luxury trims also feature standard >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury and technology features that would >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > be considered optional on their V8 >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > siblings. >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > There are ultra-high performance cars >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > from "exotic brands" that also exceed >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > US$100,000, but would not necessarily be >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > categorized as luxury automobiles, such >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > as the sports cars from Ferrari, >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Lamborghini and Porsche, although the >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Porsche Panamera does compete in the >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > high-end luxury/full-size luxury category. >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > --- >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Jadi berdasarkan informasi yang diberikan >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > oleh WIKIPEDIA, Toyota bukanlah merk >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > mobil mewah (baca lagi definisinya di >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > atas) untuk kelas mobil mewah Toyota >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > punya merk sendiri, yaitu L.... (cari >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > sendiri jawabnya, jangan mau disuapin >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > aja). >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Berdasarkan pernyataan WIKIPEDIA pada >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxury_vehicle: >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > There are ultra-high performance cars >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > from "exotic brands" that also exceed >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > US$100,000, but would not necessarily be >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > categorized as luxury automobiles, such >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > as the sports cars from Ferrari, >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Lamborghini and Porsche, although the >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Porsche Panamera does compete in the >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > high-end luxury/full-size luxury category. >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Dengan demikian bisa dikatakan Ferrari >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > TIDAK termasuk kedalam kelas mobil mewah, >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > walau harganya sendiri relatif mahal. >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Saat dulu berdiskusi dengan johny, kami >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > sedang memperbincangkan kenikmatan >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > berkendaraan dengan akselerasi tinggi, >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > bukannya memperbincangkan mobil mewah. >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Baca lagi itu tulisan. Mengutip kata-kata >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > guru wanita SMA kami di Bandung dulu >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > (kebetulan beliau berdarah Ambon) yang >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > mengajar pelajaran bahasa Jerman: >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > "Meneer, itu mata apa baso, Meneer?" >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Gaploki kepala sendiri 10 kali karena >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > sudah membuang waku orang untuk >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > menerangkan sesuatu yang bisa dicari >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > sendiri. >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> removed] >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > removed] >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Post message: [email protected] Subscribe : [email protected] Unsubscribe : [email protected] List owner : [email protected] Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! 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