On Fri, 29 May 2020 at 16:31, Stuart Clark <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 29/05/2020 16:00, Bjoern Rabenstein wrote: > > On 28.05.20 21:30, Julius Volz wrote: > >> I therefore call a vote for the following proposal: > >> > >> Allow adding exporters to > https://prometheus.io/docs/instrumenting/exporters/ > >> although the devices or applications that they export data for can > already be > >> monitored via SNMP (and thus via the SNMP Exporter). This proposal does > not > >> affect other criteria that we may use in deciding whether to list an > exporter > >> or not. > > YES > > > > It would obviously be better if those exporter listing decisions would > > "just work" with best judgement and we didn't need to vote about > > individual guideline. However, the discussion in > > https://github.com/prometheus/docs/pull/1640 circled back to the SNMP > > Exporter argument multiple times. The single person on the one side of > > the argument explained their concerns, they were considered, but > > failed to convince. With the room leaning so obviously to the other > > side, one might ask why that circling back had to happen. The vote can > > help here to prune at least one branch of the meandering > > discussion. In particular with the often used reasoning that "that's > > how we did it before", it's good to know if perhaps "that's not how we > > want to do it in the future". > > > > Having said that, I do believe that we should have a more fundamental > > discussion about revising "our" criteria of accepting exporter > > listings. My impression is that the way it is done right now doesn't > > represent our collective intentions very well. Even worse, I am fairly > > certain that the process is partially defeating its purpose. In > > particular, instead of encouraging the community to join efforts, we > > are causing even more fragmentation. Which is really tragic, given how > > much time and effort Brian invests in the review work. Kickstarting > > such a discussion has been on my agenda for a long time, but given how > > my past attempts to move the needle went, it appeared to be a quite > > involved effort, for which I'm lacking the capacity. (Others told me > > similar things, which reminds me of the "capitulation" topic in > > RFC7282, where people cease to express their point of view because > > "they don't have the energy to argue against it". Votes, like this > > particular one, might then just be an attempt to get out of the many > > branches and loops created by persistently upholding objections that > > most of the room considers addressed already.) > > Do people make use of the "other exporters list" on the wiki? > It keeps on getting additions, so I can only presume so. > > Would it make sense to make that a bit more known so there is another > less structured place to put things? > > https://github.com/prometheus/prometheus/wiki/Default-port-allocations It's already mentioned in the intro text of the exporter list for this reason, but we could always make it more prominent. -- Brian Brazil www.robustperception.io -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Prometheus Developers" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/prometheus-developers/CAHJKeLpEUQFfg0%3DZhxtk19cjYp1eBx%3DaHUpnC7PCO2f0y57woQ%40mail.gmail.com.
