NO I share the same reasoning as Björn and Marcelo.
I also think that the rename will create confusion among users. happy to change my vote if we learn that name has bad connotations. Cheers, Suraj On Wed, 26 Jan, 2022, 3:27 am , <[email protected]> wrote: > [email protected] > <https://groups.google.com/forum/?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email#!forum/prometheus-developers/topics> > Google > Groups > <https://groups.google.com/forum/?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email/#!overview> > <https://groups.google.com/forum/?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email/#!overview> > Topic digest > View all topics > <https://groups.google.com/forum/?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email#!forum/prometheus-developers/topics> > > - [VOTE] Rename blackbox_exporter to prober > <#m_-4591504651862014799_group_thread_0> - 6 Updates > > [VOTE] Rename blackbox_exporter to prober > <http://groups.google.com/group/prometheus-developers/t/44fd1ae701424cc1?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email> > Callum Styan <[email protected]>: Jan 24 02:03PM -0800 > > ABSTAIN > > I don't have a strong enough opinion to vote either way. > > On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 1:26 PM Richard Hartmann < > Ganesh Vernekar <[email protected]>: Jan 25 01:37PM +0530 > > Abstain from voting. Same reason as Callum. > > "Marcelo Magallón" <[email protected]>: Jan 25 08:46AM -0600 > > NO > > I'm actually on the fence on this, but my current position is closer to no > change. > > Reading thru https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-knodel-terminology-00.html > and > following the link to > https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-bad-is-black-effect/ I can > follow an argument like "black has a societal association with bad, and we > should work towards fixing this". The bit I'm not convinced about is that > scrubbing the word "black" everywhere moves us towards that goal, and I > would even say that it does the opposite. > > In "blacklist" such an association is obvious, since that's a list of bad > actors, and therefore that word is problematic because it reinforces the > stereotype. In "blackbox" no such association is intended or exists, as it > simply means "opaque" or "hidden". > > That said, I can concede that because of the connotation that "black" has > for some people, they could interpret the term "blackbox" in the negative, > communicating that a blackbox test is somehow inferior to the alternatives. > If the goal is to fix _that_ perception, it should be stated clearly. > > On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 8:41 AM Julien Pivotto <[email protected] > > > wrote: > > > -- > Marcelo Magallón > Goutham Veeramachaneni <[email protected]>: Jan 25 03:53PM +0100 > > NO > > I don't think prober is a good name and I think the change will cause a lot > of confusion longer-term. I might be okay with *probe_exporter* but prober > is a NO from me. I am sorry that I missed suggesting this and engaging with > the previous thread :/ > > Thanks > Goutham > > On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 3:41 PM Julien Pivotto <[email protected] > > > wrote: > > Bjoern Rabenstein <[email protected]>: Jan 25 05:33PM +0100 > > NO > > Not feeling strongly, actually. In general, I'm not sure if the > renaming itself will have a positive or negative effect (pretty much > along the lines of Marcelo's mail). Add to that the overhead and > confusion that comes with any renaming, I end up with a net-negative. > > I explicitly don't want to make the call myself if "blackbox" has > negative connotations. From what I know and feel, it doesn't. More on > the contrary. But I think that call has to be made by those who would > be affected if there were negative connotations. > > More generally, I think it is a good idea to avoid metaphors in > technical terms where possible, as attractive as they often > appear. It's the nature of metaphors that they can be understood in > various ways, and some of those might be unintended, distracting, or > even insulting. That's why I think the move from "master/slave" to > "primary/secondary" (or similar) is a great idea. However, "blackbox" > is as much a metaphor as "prober". > > On 20.01.22 15:41, Julien Pivotto wrote: > > -- > Björn Rabenstein > [PGP-ID] 0x851C3DA17D748D03 > [email] [email protected] > Chris Marchbanks <[email protected]>: Jan 25 10:55AM -0700 > > NO > > I generally agree with Goutham and would be okay with probe_exporter. > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 7:53 AM Goutham Veeramachaneni > Back to top <#m_-4591504651862014799_digest_top> > You received this digest because you're subscribed to updates for this > group. 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