Hi Mark,

I'm paid by the hour in this case, but we need to keep a cap on things, ya
know? ;)

All good points. I think I basically agree with what you said. Yes, they
insist I do it for some odd reason. (Like I said, I haven't had to do this
in 14 years.)

Thanks for your (and everyone's) feedback.

Tony


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Koitmaa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 1:26 PM
> To: Protel EDA Forum
> Subject: Re: [PEDA] Camtastic or Protel?
>
>
> A few things to consider...
> After doing all the editing and work-arounds required to panel within
> Protel, are your going to be able to get a clean DRC? Do you
> really want to
> do that amount of editing without one? What are you going to do when its
> time to rev the design? Are you being paid by the job or by the hour? In
> either case you probably have better things to do with you time.
>
> In my view, if the Protel database contains the panel drawing and
> complete
> documentation, then the panel is being controlled by one source
> file. When
> we panel a layout, the 1up layout includes all the holes for the mouse
> bites, additional plane clearances, etc. The fab/panel drawing includes
> complete panel outlines including support bars and all routing. The fab
> house's CAM operators need only do a simple step and repeat.
>
> If your layout is properly designed and the fabrication and panel
> documentation is complete, it should make no difference that the fab is
> being subcontracted. If you haven't already done so, try talking to your
> 'new facility' and explain that EDA software is not designed for
> paneling.
> Let them know that the fab facilities are the paneling 'experts',
> they have
> better tools to do it correctly, and therefor can do it quicker, at less
> cost, and more reliably.
>
> If your facilities still insist you do it, use Camtastic but do your
> documentation in Protel. Camtastic can handle the step and repeat with
> ease, and the Protel database will remain intact for future revisions!
>
> Mark Koitmaa, C.I.D.
> Certified Interconnect Designer
> TechServ
> Tel: 408-369-7950
> Fax: 408-369-7952
> http://www.techservinc.com
>
>
>
> At 12:16 PM 8/16/2001, you wrote:
> >Thanks Dennis and Mark. Wouldn't you know it: the first two responses are
> >opposite!! :)
> >
> >It's being submitted to a new facility which subcontracts the
> PCB fab, and
> >handles assembly. They indicated it would be best if I control the
> >panalization from one source file, that way there is never a problem with
> >the data for the PCBs, solder paste panels, etc.
> >
> >I usually submit the gerber for one board, and everyone "deals"
> with it, but
> >in this cause I need to create the panalization details. (Not just
> >instructions on how to panelize)
> >
> >Do others have this same requirement?
> >
> >I tried what Dennis stated, and on a 900MHz machine with 1/2Gig
> RAM, Win2000
> >said it was "running low" on virtual memory? Huh? I thought it
> had a 3 Gig
> >harddrive's worth of virtual memory? (That's the free space on my 20 Gig
> >drive)
> >
> >I'm thinking it might be good to add the support bars and mousebites in
> >Protel, then panelize in Camtastic and just connect the board together...
>

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