I have not yet tried the SIM in 99SE, but I do think it is an important
feature of Protel.  So it better darn well work, and better documentation is
needed.  I quickly browsed the manual, but it didn't look too helpful where
SIM is concerned.

Perhaps a new term is needed:  "nullware".  Software so poorly documented
that is not usable, therefore it exists only to take up disk space and be
listed as an item in marketing literature.

Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website:  www.bagotronix.com


----- Original Message -----
From: "Schmitt Michael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Protel EDA Forum'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 9:30 AM
Subject: [PEDA] AW: Fwd: Protel 99 SE Training Manual now available for do
wnload


> Getting the SI tools running is still the same mess as getting the PLD
Stuff
> running. The documentation from Protel is more than bad. we gave up
getting
> PLD running and now use external Software.
>
> Both PLD and SI look to me as they were nothing more than quick-hacks for
> only one reason, "we must have it, even if it is only mentioned ...."
maybe
> SI works with the new LIBs but i have not found any useful documentation
> that explains how to setup SI and the LIBs (full custum created) so that
SIM
> and SI both work :-( even the support from switzerland was not able to
> explain that to us, also a reason why we gave up with the SIM after a
while
> after we had switched to 99se from 98.
>
> Also i am following this list for now quit a long time and nearly 99% that
> is discussed here is SCH & PCB (also OS and HW related stuff) but it seems
> for me that most of the Protel users here still ONLY use SCH and PCB as
they
> may not need the other parts, or they also found out that there is NO
realy
> documentation or even support from Protel available. This impression is
also
> set up my mind as ALL mails and information i get from Protel and training
> cunsultant ONLY have SCH and PCB available. NO SIM NO SI NO PLD !!!
>
> FOLKS do i have the right impression that protel is NOT a profession tool
> for more than JUST ONLY doing PCB and SCH ? i will not spent the money for
> the next release or any other (and we have more than one full versions of
> 99SE) if the next or any other version does not have the SI, SIM, PLD and
> Database stuff fixed in a way that it is useful. Or maybe protel just need
> to do a realy good manual how it is ment to be used and how it can be
used,
> in way a user can use it if he has NO knowledge at all with that kind of
> tools. Well at least he/she should know what he/she want to do :-)
>
> BTW : since 99Se the database link is more than useless as it takes
toooooo
> much time, 98 was much faster. i never heared anything from this list or
> protel that there is planned to fix this. so no chance to connect protel
to
> a database. the only way that works ... export from protel and do the job
> with another software. what a pain. it could be so fine be just starting
the
> database and getting the part fields updated. well have you ever tried to
> find out that protel cleans part fields that were not updated ? or get a
> report at the end what was not found during update ?
>
> so i am looking foreward what the next release will bring, but i guess we
> will not UPDATE. p99se does the sch and pcb but nothing more.
>
> Dipl.-Ing. (FH) Michael Schmitt
> Baumer Ident GmbH
> Entwicklung / Development Department
> Hertzstr. 10
> D-69469 Weinheim
> Deutschland / Germany
> Tel. +49 (0) 6201 9957 - 30
> Fax. +49 (0) 6201 9957 - 99
> E-Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Web: http://www.baumerident.com



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