[OT link re: phoenix]
http://www.stiltman.com/phoenix.htm

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian Guralnick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 06:13
> To: Protel EDA Forum
> Subject: Re: [PEDA] Weird behaviour & Free speech & shrink wrap
> 
> 
> Ahhh yes, Phoenix...
> 
>     Does this mean it will never completely die, & that 
> Phoenix will always stay in
> the "Processes", after quitting, & by some miracle, 1 day, it 
> will come back to full
> life after trying to shutdown the PC?
> 
> ____________
> Brian Guralnick
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dennis Saputelli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 11:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [PEDA] Weird behaviour & Free speech & shrink wrap
> 
> 
> | maybe there is a distinction between first closing all the open
> | documents and then closing the ddb as opposed to just 
> closing the ddb
> | with the documents open
> |
> | i swear that since following the above procedure i have not seen the
> | problem of protel still running when it is in fact not 
> still running in
> | W2K
> | (whereas i had seen it regularly before following this procedure)
> |
> | by saying this i do not mean to defend this aberrant behavior
> | of course at this point there will be no more SP's or fixes, we have
> | only Phoenix to hope and wait for (the very name is 
> chilling in what it
> | portends)
> |
> | today while buying another protel license i was told that 
> Phoenix would
> | be shipping in Q1
> | i pointed out that Q1 was almost over and that i had heard 
> no noises re
> | beta testing
> | ..
> |
> | in infoworld there was an article about certain shrink wrap licenses
> | (major database stuff) curtailing the discussion of performance or
> | benchmarking results
> |
> | apparently this is being taken to court as an abridgment of 
> free speech
> |
> | if in fact phoenix is in beta and those testers have been 
> enjoined from
> | at least saying that they were beta testers then perhaps there is a
> | potential problem there
> |
> | if it is not in beta and they are still talking Q1 release 
> then i fear
> | we are headed for trouble and may be enlisted as their 
> paying beta crew
> |
> | i, for one, would be more happy with substantive 
> incremental upgrades
> | than these grandiose promises of all new software which 
> will be hard to
> | keep
> |
> | Dennis Saputelli
> |
> | Brad Velander wrote:
> | >
> | > Dennis,
> | >         just to add to the knowledge, I 'almost' always 
> close the ddbs
> | > before shutting down Protel and quite often I still 
> experience the Client99
> | > process running at shut down.
> | >
> | > Sincerely,
> | > Brad Velander.
> | >
> | > Lead PCB Designer
> | > Norsat International Inc.
> | > Microwave Products
> | > Tel   (604) 292-9089 (direct line)
> | > Fax  (604) 292-9010
> | > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> | > http://www.norsat.com
> | >
> |
> | --
> | 
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