with all respect, you are comparing two vastly differing systems and
not the validity of the comments that I made. I used Accel EDA for a few
years so I have seen some of the issues that you speak of.

        Like trying to manually swap designators on a couple of schematic
symbols, going through differing intermediate designators and several extra
steps to accomplish such a simple task as swapping designators R13 & R14.
Crazy, talk about crazy! Probably, well actually for damn sure, it doesn't
understand my design intent and therefore why should it second guess me on

        Placing the net label, in Protel there is no pre-assigned net name
unless it is a power symbol connected net or it has a previously assigned
net label netname. So what would normally be assigned when you connect the
net label? Blank? And how would you then change it? Is it a net label or a
net leech?

Using multiple net labels on a single net. Since the dawn of EDA time the
grandfather of EDA schematic entry, OrCAD, has/had allowed for entry of
multiple net names on a single net. This pre-dates any other tool that still
exist out there.

What is this the invasion of the PCAD gang? You know what, we are here to
help if you need help. We would appreciate it if you could read the manuals
first and try the tutorials. If you want to fight about the symantics of the
tool operation call Protel. We all know where that will get you, very
frustrated because they really couldn't care.

        This is so funny, me a Protel mouth piece! What is this world coming
to? I just can't stop snickering at the thought.

Brad Velander.

Lead PCB Designer
Norsat International Inc.
Microwave Products
Tel   (604) 292-9089 (direct line)
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Yuriy Khapochkin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 3:03 PM
> To: Protel EDA Forum
> Subject: Re: [PEDA] duplicated net labels and refdes
> Hi Brad,
> I couldn't agree with you on most points.
> Brad Velander wrote:
> > 
> > Mira,
> >         I am not sure which systems you may have used prior 
> to Protel but of
> > the systems that I have used the reactions that you report 
> below are the
> > norm.
> I have used PCAD2001 for quite some time and could tell that 
> there are 
> no "features" Mira reported for the Protel.
> But that's crazy! If I put Net label over the existing net 
> it's worth to assign
> net name to the label, not vice versa.
> Just because Net Label is only a descripition of the Net.
> Again, try PCAD2001. It's imposible to place different Net 
> Label on the same
> Net.
> If you try, Net will be splitted into subnets and you'll get 
> warning message.
> >         Multiple parts with same designators, this is why 
> there is a special
> > check within the ERC simply to check for this occurrence. 
> > learn it, use it , live it. It will save your butt almost 
> every time you use
> > it. Remember that when you first brought in all those parts 
> they had the
> > same R? reference designators. As well, using the 
> annotation tools within
> > Protel is probably the easiest manner to update designators without
> > duplication errors. The only manner by which you should 
> have duplicated
> > designators is through human intervention causing human errors.
> Again, try PCAD2001. It simply will not allow you to have two 
> components 
> with the same designators and will automatically assign new 
> available designator
> for each new part placed.
> Brad, I'm not very new in EDA CAD :-), but I have 
> approximately the same 
> set of questions as Mira to the Protel development team.
> So I just hold my breath and think about them, as of 
> "features" I have to live
> with
> and try to find some kind of workarounds if possible
> WBR,
> Yuriy Khapochkin.

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