I have no idea what is free forever and what expires in the 30 day trial
. The whole download includes PeakVHDL, ProChip and Protel 99se Schematic
and PLD (don't know if trial 30 day or not) .
    We installed the whole mess on a spare computer , after which we found
out we really needed only one (I mean ONE as in 1 ) single updated library
file , less than 1MB in size and copied it over to another machine running
the real Protel 99se . Now Protel 99se is able to see all the new Atmel
cpld's and there's no need for the whole Atmel-Protel mess . Just an updated
CPLD library file posted somewhere for download and explicitly marked
would've sufficed .

BTW, the client company got so frustrated by this process that they allowed
us to change over from Atmel CPLD's to Lattice or Xilinx and use their free
CPLD tools , and are willing to undergo an extra pcb rev for that ;)

Best Regards,
Matt Tudor, MSEE
http://www.gigahertzelectronics.com



----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Karavidas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel PLD/CUPL Question


> Do you mean as a free 30 day trial?
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: matt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 10:25 AM
> > To: Protel EDA Forum
> > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel PLD/CUPL Question
> >
> >
> > Thanks , Rob. I have installed the free Atmel Protel on a
> > differetn machine
> > and opened all PLD library files with a hex editor. I have found a file
> > called Atmel.DL which had the descriptions for all the Atmel CPLD's ,
> > including the one I needed . I then replaced the full blown PRotel PLD
> > library file (there was an identically named file in the full blown
protel
> > library\pld folder ) and now all the missing chips are available. I was
> > going to test the functionality by compiling a known design to verify if
> > there are any version incompatibilities, but since you had this
> > working the
> > same way I'll use it without additional sanity checks.
> >
> > It's interesting to note that Atmel supplies the Altium/PRotel
> > schematic and
> > PLD tool as a free download , packaged with a VHDL compiler for
> > FPGA's . The
> > PRotel executables are the regular PRotel 99se (with sp6 included)
files,
> > libraries are trimmed down to just Atmel parts but are more recent . The
> > Atmel.DL file I needed is dated 1998 , whereas the official PRotel 99se
> > Atmel.dl library file is even older. This just shows how much
> > effort PRotel
> > really spends for the fixes and upgrades. All they had to do was
> > include the
> > new Atmel library in their sp6 or make it downloadable off their website
,
> > since it is already available for free from Atmel. It took me a
> > few hours in
> > all , from the clueless stage to having it working . It should
> > take about 10
> > minutes in all for a software engineer who knows the Protel libraries
and
> > knows they have this free PLD/FPGA design tool deal with Atmel.
> > That's what,
> > $10 in cost for a library upgrade, at most ? i had initially suggested
our
> > customer to go with xilinx and use their coolrunner parts since
> > the webpack
> > is free and works
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Cc: "matt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 11:36 AM
> > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel PLD/CUPL Question
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > If you look in the Design Explorer 99 SE\Library\PLD directory you
will
> > find the
> > > files for Protel PLD including Atmel.DL which as I recall contains the
> > info you
> > > are looking for.  I did this type of thing more than 2 years ago so I
> > can't
> > > remember exactly, but all CUPL files are there. At one point with
Protel
> > 99 PLD
> > > was fighting me so much that I created the CUPL file in Protel than
> > compiled it
> > > with WINCUPL. Later with Protel 99 SE I compiled it fine.
> > >
> > > I just changed the ATMEL.DL file and the PLD configure options
> > changed to
> > match,
> > > so I suspect this is the file you want to copy.
> > >
> > >
> > > You might also try renaming the Protel PLD directory to something else
> > then
> > > copying the Atmel PLD directory over, so the full version of Protel
uses
> > the
> > > Atmel Files.
> > >
> > > Rob
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > ************************************************************************
> > * Tracking #: CB35C126344C8448B92644D0B30AA1AC39ED2D4C
> > *
> > ************************************************************************
> >
> >

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