Guys,

Just to make a little point, this has less to do with protools accessibility than it does understanding of basics of digital recording.

I would suggest googling gain staging for digital recording, or digital recording basics.

the faders and controls in protools can not change how you captured the signal in the first place through your mixing desk, pre-amp or interface. That is to say, if it clips on the way into the computer, your not going to be able to easily unclip it inside the computer.

While getting as much gain as possible into the digital recorder was a concern in the past, with 24 bit digital recording, most agree that there is no need to see peaks far beyond -10 DBFS on the meters inside protools.

But like I say, a basic understanding of digital recording, metering and termonology such as DBFS versus DBVU etc is essential and will avoid you needing to ask unnecessary questions here.

I'm not knowledgable about ProTools like some here, but I'd rather not waste the time of those who know their stuff about PT accessibility etc asking questions which have little to do with getting around proTools and more to do with being a beginner to recording in general.

Meant in the best spirit of course,

Regards,
Brian.

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From: "Chris Norman" <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 6:18 PM
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Bad quality: I just don't get it!

Something that's worth mentioning here, which I'm not sure as you're
aware of Chris, gain and fader level are different. Gain, is the level
of your mic before it hits the speakers, and the fader level is after.
When recording, you want to try and get the gain as high as possible
when you're recording, then if it's too loud, just fader it down
afterwards. While recording, all faders should be at 0.00 DB.

HTH.

On 06/10/2011, Gary Readfern-Gray <[email protected]> wrote:
Hey Chris, It's difficult to advise you not having your gear and I'm
somewhere along the same journey as you but +30db of gain on your
mike?? that sounds like it would clip a whole bunch to me, so turn
that down and try again. Just a thought.

G

On 10/6/11, Chris Norman <[email protected]> wrote:
If you want a project to play round with for a while, try this.

It's one I recorded on my gear at home, using a DI'd faith guitar, a
Sure (however you spell it) SM58, all going through a M-Audio Mobile
Pree, which cost me £150, into my Macbook Pro 13, using a Euphonix MC2
mixing desk to mix with, and a pair of M-Audio something or others
monitors. I got it all from DV247.com, not sure if they apply to
America as well, but I'm in England, so hey! :P

Anyways, here's th link, and I'm afraid it falls under the catigory of
"almost dog crap", and my voice is quite heavily autotuned, because I
had a bitch of a sore throat the day I did the vocals.

That said, we had fun recording it, and it's the first thing I did in
PT, so it's quite close to my heart! LOL.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4219494/Early%20Morning%20Rain.zip

Give it some time to upload, then it'll be there.

On 06/10/2011, Christopher-Mark Gilland <[email protected]> wrote:
If possible, can you at least have a listen to my version of You Don't
count
the Cost I did with my multi-mix? If you know how to get the vocals for
a
definite! at least slightly more less clippy, that's my main goal right
now
for starters.  The weird thing is, it doesn't sound all that clipity
until
I
mix the track down to either an mp3 or wave.

The clipping's there before, but not quite as bad.

Chris.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Reeves" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: Bad quality: I just don't get it!


Hey man. It doesn't matter what you use. That record you heard was done
on
a
cheap $600 001 interface with a $200 mic. When I cut drums, I hired guys
who
were great engineers. They weren't big names, just some guys from a small
town in Illinois. However, they knew how to dial the drums in. Then, I
had
it mixed by our own Slau. He knows how to dial it in. Would he have
preferred that my stuff be tracked on better gear so he didn't have to
doctor it up as much or do tons of subtractive EQ? Probably. But he took
what he had and knew how to make it sound like a million bucks. What
makes
it sound clear is how you use it. Tons of folks are doing industry
standard
stuff in Sonar, logic, garageband, etc. It's all 0's and 1's. Obviously a Pro Tools HD rig running at 192 K will sound better than a $200 interface
at
44.1 16, but that's minor. It's literally how you employ the tools you
have.
I've spent over 13 years messing with this stuff to get the sounds I
want.
When I first started out, everything I did sounded like dog crap. The
trick,
get something that's easy for you to use, learn the hell out of it, and
record record record. You'll throw away about 90 percent of what you
record.
THen 80, 70, etc. As you get better acquainted with your stuff, the more
you'll like what you record. After 13 years, I know how to dial it in.
It's
that simple, and hard, all at the same time. Sorry to be such a downer,
but
I feel bad that someone put it in your head that getting another piece of software would make you sound better. I use Pro Tools because it's my rig
of
choice. Go listen to stuff by Goldfingas, http://www.goldfingas.com, or
have
Brian Smart send you something he did in Sonar. That stuff sounds
amazing.
Hell. I've got stuff I tracked in Sonar while I had that rig. My pro
tools
rig sounds better to me than my sonar rig did. Not because it's Pro
TOols,
but because I know how to dial Pro Tools in. That's the ticket. In short,
learn your rig. You're jumping from board to board without really
learning
it. Don't go for bells and whistles. If I were you, I'd get a Mackie Onyx
if
you can grab the smaller one. That mixer is so easy to use and integrates right into Pro TOols. No effects, no nothing. Just an analog board with a fully digital back end. Then, open every pro tools plugin and see what it
does. Move every knob in the window till you figure out how it makes it
sound. Use presets if you have to. You'll find what you need after a
while.
Again, sorry to piss on your parade, but that's the true honest answer.
You
have to just do it to get through it. Trust me. I've hated stuff I've
recorded and wanted to sell everything off. It's just part of this
journey.
Good luck.

Kevin=




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