Hi, I have been reading this topic and find this very interesting. I am
looking to trade in my Digi 003 or would not mind selling it if someone
on this list wants to buy it from me. Does Avid make any control
surfaces or interfaces that give me the same features as the Digi 003 as
lots of people have heard about the new focus right interfaces which I
am ok with getting but would want at least the same amount of inputs on
that as the Digi 003 has and I guess I could buy an Avid control surface
but does Avid still have moving controls like the Digi 003 does as I
also don't want to lose those? I don't mind having two different devices
as this way I could always travel with one then mix things at home.
Nick Gawronski
On 10/28/2015 1:18 PM, Katie Zodrow wrote:
Hi. Thanks for explaining what fader flip mode is. I haven’t had to use this
mode yet, but that’s cool I can either use this for changing plug in parameters
on the console or use Voiceover. That’s interesting Mackie discontinued using
fader flip mode since they first implemented this a while ago.
Is the AES show in New York this year?
Katie
On Oct 28, 2015, at 5:14 AM, Slau Halatyn <[email protected]> wrote:
There you go. I can't imagine having to use Pro Tools without fader flip mode.
Again, I recognize the appeal of having a surface that works for more than just
one DAW but, frankly, that is a non-issue for me because I use precisely one
DAW. Ironically, the original HUI specification where fader flip was
implemented was in the Mackie HUI control surface itself. Even some Digidesign
surfaces didn't have it at first. Now, every Avid surface offers it. I know the
J.L. Cooper stuff featured fader flip mode as well. Today, I'm not sure what
the lay of the land is for third party manufacturers.
Slau
On Oct 28, 2015, at 8:04 AM, mcdiemert . <[email protected]> wrote:
Have never gotten FF mode to work at all in PT 10/11/12.
I have considered switching from the MCU for this very reason as
working with the encoder knobs can be quite annoying to put it mildly.
On 10/28/15, Slau Halatyn <[email protected]> wrote:
In fader flip mode, plug-in controls which are normally mapped to the
encoder knobs are flipped down to appear on the faders instead. This gives a
blind user the benefit of a tactile representation of the parameter values.
It's pretty much the only way I've accessed plug-ins in Pro Tools. Actually,
a combination of fader flip mode and directly changing parameter values with
VoiceOver seems to work best. All Avid surfaces have fader flip mode and
some, but not all, third party surfaces have the mode as well. Supposedly,
the Mackie Control has it but, again, I have yet to hear of somebody
reliably using it in that mode.
Slau
On Oct 28, 2015, at 12:11 AM, Katie Zodrow <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi, what does fader flip mode do on a control surface?
Thanks.
Katie
On Oct 27, 2015, at 8:58 PM, Slau Halatyn <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Katie,
When speaking of Pro Tools specifically, you won't get better access than
with the C|24 and possibly the S3. While the idea of the Macke Control
is appealing, especially at its price point, I have yet to hear of a
blind user who has truly found it to be a viable surface for Pro Tools.
While it'll certainly work for things like transport, scrubbing (although
I don't like the way it scrubs), mute, solo, etc., my understanding is
that it lacks in the ability to reliably switch into fader flip mode
which is one of the most important aspects of control surface
implementation for blind users of Pro Tools. If someone's experience on
the list is significantly different, I'd love to hear about it.
Best,
Slau
On Oct 27, 2015, at 9:56 PM, Katie Zodrow <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi, Slau. I just looked at the Mackie Universal Pro control surface on
the B&H website. I just read about this one when I was browsing some old
posts on the PT list about control surfaces. It sounds like this control
surface might be better than the S3 since its got a jog wheel for
editing audio in scrub or shuttle modes. Can you use this for mixing in
stereo or surround sound?
Not sure if this control surface would be better than the C24. Let me
know what you think.
Thanks.
Katie
On Oct 27, 2015, at 4:24 PM, Katie Zodrow <[email protected]> wrote:
Cool. Thanks Slau. I didn’t know the AES show was this weekend. Let me
know what you find out about the S3 and how you like using it.
I know Rick hasn’t used this board either. If its not as accessible, I
might as well go with the C24. I’ll be doing a lot of editing voiceover
tracks and mixing projects in stereo and surround sound.
Let me know what you think about the S3 control surface after you
attend AES.
Thanks.
Katie
On Oct 27, 2015, at 3:34 PM, Slau Halatyn <[email protected]>
wrote:
Hi Katie,
I know of no blind users with an s3 yet. To be certain, the C|24 is
fully supported and is very accessible but undoubtedly much further
along in its life cycle. It's clearly still supported and will
probably be supported for a few more years but I'd say that 5 years is
perhaps pushing it a bit. I'm not sure. In addition, the s3 is half
the price but, as you pointed out, doesn't necessarily have all of the
same features that come in so handy with the C|24. I'll be at AES this
week and will have a chance to take a closer look at the S3 and, since
I have a C|24, might be able to compare/contrast the two. I'll see if
I can paint a fuller picture by next week.
Best,
Slau
On Oct 27, 2015, at 4:53 PM, Katie Zodrow <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi, everyone. Sorry this email is under Ashley Cox’s name, I’m not
sure why this happened when I put in PT Accessibility in the to
field. I’ll try to delete that next time I email the list.
I haven’t emailed this list in a long time, but I have a question
about control surfaces. I’m currently working at Rick Boggs' studio
Audio Eyes part-time as an audio engineer. We do postproduction work
producing video description. I’ll be going full time by next year and
will be getting my own digital audio workstation so I can work
remotely from home or at the studio. I reopened my case with DOR in
California, and they will be purchasing this system for me. I was
planning to get the C24 control surface since that’s what we have at
the studio, and I’m really familiar with this board. But I was
browsing on Google a couple weeks ago and last night too. I found
information about another control surface made by Avid. I think it
was introduced earlier this year or last year. Its called the Avid S3
control surface. Have any of you guys used this before, and do you
know if this is accessible with Voiceover? I’ve never seen the S3
control surface. I’ve used the C24 at the studio many times, so I’m
very familiar with using that board.
I know Rick told me if I get the C24, I would have to purchase a
separate desk for the console. I know the S3 is a much smaller
control surface compared to the C24, but I wasn’t sure which one
would be the best option for me to use with ProTools. Does the S3
come with its own desk, or do you need to purchase it separately?
I’ve heard the S3 is EUCON enabled which is cool, so you can use this
with other applications besides ProTools like Logic or Digital
Performer. This board has 16 channels you can work with instead of
24. I’m not sure though if the S3 has a lot of analog controls like
the C24 or not. I’ve read that the S3 doesn’t have a lot of audio
editing functions though, so I think I’d have to get the Artist
Transport to use for editing and recording. I like that the C24
includes the transport controls as well as the jog wheel, and the
scrub and shuttle modes all in one unit. Is the Artist Transport a
good device to use for editing?
Let me know what you guys think. I’d like to get a control surface I
can use and that’s still supported by Avid for at least five years or
longer. Should I go with the C24, or the Avid S3?
Thanks.
Katie
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