Hi Peter, Hopefully, I can explain this concisely, although it can get complicated. Some of what I say might seem out of order so feel free to read it a few times if it doesn't make sense the first time.
First, the plus and minus keys on the num pad, when pressed by them selves when there is no selection, will simply move the insertion point forward or backward by the nudge amount. If a region is selected, the plus or minus keys will move that region forward or backward by the nudge amount. If there is a selection that begins before a region start and continues past the region end and beyond it by some amount, pressing the plus or minus keys will move only the region within the selection forward or backward by the nudge amount. If there's a selection that does not contain an entire region within its boundaries but is instead a range within a larger region, pressing plus or minus will move the selection range forward or backward by the nudge amount. It's important to understand that the selection range is being moved in this case and not the underlying region itself. Possibly a helpful way of thinking of it is that both the front and end boundaries of a region must be within the selection range in order to be affected by the nudge commands. To extend the beginning of a selected region to the left (or earlier in the timeline), use Option-minus. To adjust it forward (or later in the timeline), use Option-plus. The same adjustment can be made to the end of the region by using the Command modifier with either the plus or minus keys. So, to extend the region end to the right (or later in the timeline), use Command-plus. So, all of the commands I just mentioned in this paragraph have to do with selected regions in their entirety. Now, to adjust the beginning or end of a selection, you would add the Shift modifier to the equation. So, to extend the end of a selection range, use Shift-Command-plus. To shorten the end of the selection range, use Shift-Command-minus. To alter the beginning of the selection, use Shift-Option and the appropriate plus or minus keys on the num pad. The audition keystrokes work the same whether you have an entire region selected or a range selected. To me, the logic of how these work is somewhat non-intuitive. You'll notice that thus far anything having to do with the region or selection start has used the Option modifier and anything pertaining to the region end or selection end has used the Command modifier. In the audition process, you sort of have to flip the concept to an extent. You need to simply think of Option as being the left part of the boundary and Command as being the right side of the boundary and left arrow as being the left part of the selection or region and right arrow as being the right side of the selection or region. So, to audition the audio before the selection by the pre-roll amount, press Option-left arrow, left arrow being the left boundary and Option being the left side of that boundary. To audition the beginning of the region or selection by the post roll amount, press Command-left arrow, left arrow being the left boundary and Command being the right side of that left boundary. To do all of that with the end of the region or selection, use the right arrow, representing the right boundary and use Option for what leads to the right boundary or Command for what follows the right boundary. Man, everything I've typed above sounds so complicated and tedious but, I assure you, if you try it, you'll get the hang of it. I always, always forget the combination of what to use for auditioning the left or right boundary and the left and right arrow keys. I simply have not found a reliable way to memorize the combination. as I said, it's not exactly intuitive. Yes, there is definitely an internal logic to it and that's clear but, to me, it almost makes more sense for Option to represent the left boundary and Command to represent the right boundary and left arrow to play what precedes the left boundary and right arrow to play what follows the left boundary when combined with the Option modifier. It's more consistent with the other shortcuts. Anyway, the point is that I always forget the shortcuts but, when you have a selection, it takes literally two seconds to try a couple of combinations of shortcuts and it all comes back to you while you're doing it. Good luck trying to remember the exact shortcuts when you're away from the computer. Sure, you'll remember it for a day but give it a little time and you'll likely forget. Hope that all helps, Slau boundary. On Mar 24, 2016, at 10:49 AM, Peter Bosher <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Slau, many thanks. That worked and I'm nearly there with the whole > process but one thing is still puzzling me, so one more, hopefully last > question please: > > Once the pre and post-roll values are set, I can audition just the pre-roll > with option-left-arrow. This means I can set the in-point precisely. So far > so good, but when I try to adjust the out-point with plus and minus, the > whole selection moves rather than just the out-point as I want. I can > audition the out-point with command-right-arrow, but I can't seem to set the > out-point independently of the in-point. I could work around this with > markers and regions but I imagine I'm just missing something basic in the > process. I'm migrating from SoundForge where it was possible to switch > between hearing from the cursor, or from the start of the selection, so you > could easily audition the end of the selection before marking the out-point. > > It's pretty hard putting this into words so I hope you get my drift, and I > really do appreciate your help. > > Best, > > Peter > . > > On 22/03/2016 16:34, Slau Halatyn wrote: >> Hi Peter, >> >> To set the pre or post roll value, go to the Transport window and find the >> pre or post roll value and use Control-Option-space to click. Then enter the >> new value and press Enter. You must type the value on the numeric keypad and >> starting with the first number. In other words, if you want to enter two >> seconds, you must type a zero, then the decimal, then zero two. Unless you >> want smaller increments after the seconds, you can press Enter after having >> typed in the zero two. If you're entering bars and beats, you'd type the bar >> number first and then hit Enter. If you want a bar plus two beats as a >> pre-roll, you'd enter one, press the decimal to get to the next field then >> type two and then hit Enter. Remember that the decimal advances you to the >> next value field. Once you hit Enter, the value takes effect. To retype a >> value, click once more and enter the full value again, using decimal to >> advance to the subsequent fields if necessary. >> >> Once you have both pre and post roll values entered, the shortcuts I >> mentioned earlier will work. Make sure you're in the Edit window while >> auditioning. >> HTH, >> Slau >> >> On Mar 22, 2016, at 12:05 PM, Peter Bosher <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Many thanks Slau, that's already helped a great deal for auditioning the >>> post-roll, but I've searched the menus for how to set the value of the >>> pre/post-roll and not found it. At the moment, command-left, option-left >>> and command-option-left all do the same thing. Is there a keystroke which >>> will definitely play just the pre-roll portion, stopping at the point where >>> the selection starts? >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> >>> On 22/03/2016 11:31, Slau Halatyn wrote: >>>> Hi Peter, >>>> >>>> If you have values other than zero set for the pre and post roll, you can >>>> audition the ranges with keyboard shortcuts. Option-Command-left arrow >>>> will play the beginning of the selection including a pre-roll and >>>> Option-Command-right arrow will play the end of the selection along with a >>>> post roll. It's possible to play the pre and post roll individually using >>>> combinations of Option or Command and either the left or right arrows. >>>> Experiment by making a selection and using various combinations of >>>> Option-left or right arrows and Command-left or right arrows. You'll see >>>> how it works. >>>> HTH, >>>> >>>> Slau >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 6:20 AM, Peter Bosher <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi All, >>>>> >>>>> When making fine adjustments to a selection, I need to hear not only the >>>>> selection itself, but also the second or two beforehand, stopping at the >>>>> in-point. This is what I mean by pre-roll, and in SoundForge for >>>>> example, you can do this with CTRL-shift-K. In PT, I see that I can >>>>> enable pre/post-roll with command-K, but how do I actually audition the >>>>> pre-roll and the post-roll? >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> >>>>> Peter >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>> email to [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. 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