Your example of the prefader makes sense. In simple terms, you are modifying whatever is at the end of your aux send before the original audio is received by the aux track. In other words, your prefader is increasing/decreasing the reverb before the audio is applied to the aux track. With post fader, the modifications are applied after the original audio is sent to the aux track. Pre means before and post means after. Therefore, prefader means “change the levels before sending anything to the aux track.” Whereas post fader means “To apply the modifications after the audio is sent to the aux track.” A master fader is nothing more than a track which controls the overall sound of the mix. Whatever you change on the master fader will apply to everything in the project. I don’t have time to diagram a pre/post fader route. However, if you want one, I can do it when I get back this afternoon.
> On May 18, 2016, at 11:24 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Guys, > > Try as I may, I am just! not getting this concept. I have Googled like > crazy, but all articles are going way way over my head. > > Basically, here is the scenareo for ya. Let's say I have two tracks in my > session. The first track is called vocal, and it's nothing more than just a > dry raw mono audio track with me singing in my mike. > > Now, I have a stereo auxiliary track called Vox Verb. On insert A of the > vocal mono audio track, I add a send. On this send, I leave all the default > values in the send window as ProTools has it natively. I don't turn the send > up or down, I don't mess with the pans, nothing. I just directly close the > send window when it pops up. > > Now, on the Vox Verb auxiliary track, on insert A, I add a reverb plugin of > my choice, and tweak it accordingly to my liking. > > What I now am finding is, because by default I'm set to post fader on that > send which is up on our actual mono audio vocal track, if I move the output > volume slider on the vox verb auxiliary track up and down, yes, I'm causing > the reverb wet signal to increase or decrease, more simply put in lamon > terms, I'm causing the reverb to become more or less in amount, let's say I > need more reverb wetness. If I turn the fader up on that auxiliary vox verb > track, I get more echo/reverb, but it's also making my vocals louder. My > guess is is that it's turning up the dry mix along with turning up the reverb. > > With a prefader, I'm finding on the other hand, given again the above > scenareo, if I turn the output volume slider up on the auxiliary vox verb > track, the volume of my vocals doesn't get any louder at all. Just to over > exagerate things, if I turned the auxiliary track's fader to positive 12DB, > not that I'd normally do that, but I'm trying to make a point here. I would > find that the actual volume level of my vocal hasn't become ear splitting > blasting. All it did in prefader is to make me sound like I'm in the bottom > of the grand cannyon. It seems that in prefader, it's only effecting the > reverb wetness from the plug I put on insert A of the auxiliary vox verb > track. > > So, this leads me to a few questions. Maybe if you all can address these > questions in full, this'll start to make more sense. I think firstly though > before asking these questions, it's important that you all understand my > logic of thinking for what a send actually is. That may be part of my issue > right there. I was thinking that basically all a send really is is a pathway > for lack of better word to send, quote unquote, signal. Basically, in the > above situation, regardless if it's pre or post, all I'm essentially doing is > sending a copy of the audio from my mono audio vocal track elseware. In this > case, I'm duplicating it by sending it out to an auxiliary track. So now, I > have two instances of the same audio. One from the vocal mono audio track, > and a second instance from the auxiliary vox verb track which are now being > played at the same time. > > IN the old days of analog stuff, you'd often hear about bouncing multiple > tracks to one track. I hear that basically was done with sends. You'd send > the audio from say, 3 tracks out to just one track which would receive the > signal from all 3 tracks. Therefore, you now put effects on that one track > receiving all three of the others, and now, you've globally effected all 3 of > the tracks in one shebang. According to the Sweetwater tech I normally work > with, he told me that if you wanna get really really technical, technically > speaking, a master fader is nothing more than a track which has signal > through a send being sent down to it, so you do anything on your master, it > effects the whole session. Again, he said it's not exactly a send, but at > the end of the day, it's the same concept. > > OK, so here are my questions, now that you get my logic of what I'm > understanding a send to be. > > 1. I get that pre fader means the signal is being effected before it hits > the output fader of the vox verb auxiliary track, but in more lamon terms, > what does that mean? > > 2. I get that with post! fader, the signal is being effected after it hits > the output fader on the vox verb auxiliary track. Again, though, in more > lamon terms, what exactly does that mean is happening in the audio chain? > > 3. Can someone textually diagram out for me the signal process of both a > pre, and a post fader send, explaining how exactly the audio is getting from > the audio track to the auxiliary track? > > 4. Finally, why is it that with post fader, if I move the output volume > slider on the auxiliary track, the vocal not only gets more reverb, or less > reverb, but it's also turning up the volume of the vocal audio track at the > same time, whereas, if I'm set to prefader, then turn up or down the fader of > the auxiliary track that the audio is being sent to, the only thing I notice > is that the reverb becomes either more or less intense, as far as the wet mix > goes. It gets either more echo, or less echo, but as far as volume goes, > nothing gets louder, nor softer. > > Sorry to put this on you all to answer in so much depth, but I really just am > not getting this concept. I'm trying, honest to God, but it's just not > making sense. The more pre school lamon you can put this, LOL, the better. > Don't use big words, as I'm stupid. LOL! Just kidding. Seriously though, > can someone help me out here please? > > Chris. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. 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