They need to be fixed, yes, but at the end of the day, it's definitely not a show stopper for me.
> On Oct 25, 2022, at 2:52 AM, Ronald J. Glaser <[email protected]> > wrote: > > I am glad you found these bugs chris, because when they do get fixed that > will be a great help to us all. > > Ron. > >> On Oct 24, 2022, at 11:31 PM, Christopher Gilland <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> OK. I'm sorry. Yes. It did come off a bit rudely, but I understand now. >> >> >> >> On that note, I did! take the plunge. I'm not ready yet to downgrade, as >> things look well... O, Kayyy, and I guess we can discuss it here being >> Ventura now is in public release, just with the understanding that everyone >> knows that this is technically not yet supported fully, so do at your own >> risk, but the track list table seems broken in Ventura with 2022.9, and I >> didn't know if you and other accessibility testers were aware of it. It's >> not a dealbreaker for me though, as there are a few work arounds. >> >> >> >> Avid is so big of an industry, I'd not even remotely know where to start >> with contacting people there to give the feedback. Here are the more >> specifics though. >> >> >> >> I see in the mix and edit windows both the track list table. But, when I >> interact with it, if I try pressing VO+Space on any of the tracks, that >> track gets selected, even though you don't hear the little click like you >> normally would when hitting VO+Space. The issue is however, when trying to >> select multiple tracks, as soon as you hit VO+Space on another track, the >> previous selection goes away. So for example, say you had tracks 1, and >> tracks 2. If I hit vo+space on track 1, it's now selected only. I now >> VO+down arrow to track 2 and hit VO+Space. The expected behavior would be >> that now, track 1 and! track 2 both would be selected. In reality though, >> only track 2 is now selected. If you go back to track 1 and do a VO+Space, >> now, track 1 is selected again, but not track 2. >> >> >> >> Before you ask, yes, CTRL+P and CTRL+Semi colon do work pretty reliably for >> the most part, and adding shift to those seems to work selecting things >> contiguously. >> >> >> >> The only way I've found to do it otherwise noncontigulously is to use my >> actual mouse trackpad, and literally command+click each track one by one to >> toggle it from selected to nonselected or vice versa. Looking in the Avid >> forums, it appears that this is the official way sighted people do it, and >> yes. That way seems to be working totally consistently. >> >> >> >> If this isn't known already, is there any Avid people we can push it to so >> that this gets fixed by the time it does go official? >> >> >> >> Chris. >> >> --- >> Chris Gilland >> >> Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/c/chrisgilland >> On 10/24/2022 7:00 PM, Slau Halatyn wrote: >>> Hi Chris, >>> You did nothing wrong at all. I was merely poking a little fun at the fact >>> that, despite your disclaimer, you do tend to be overly dramatic with the >>> "Chocked beyond belief" type of comment. Sorry, but wouldn't you agree that >>> such a statement is just a wee bit over the top? Again, I'm just making >>> light of it and I hope you can see the light-hearted humor in it. Helping >>> is a good thing, of course and it's a good thing to point out the obvious >>> sometimes. It's all good. Don't take offense. I'm just funnin' with you :) >>> >>> >>>> On Oct 24, 2022, at 4:20 PM, Christopher Gilland <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Goodness, Slau. I'm sorry! Not to be rude/overdramatic here, but I thought >>>> I was doing a good thing, helping. I guess not though. Jesus Christ! Thank >>>> you for the link though. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Chris. >>>> >>>> --- >>>> Chris Gilland >>>> >>>> Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/c/chrisgilland >>>> On 10/24/2022 4:06 PM, Slau Halatyn wrote: >>>>> Chris, >>>>> Once your shock (beyond belief) wears off, you should consider the fact >>>>> that Avid posts compatibility data on their website and Pro Tools users >>>>> are used to the fact that upgrading an OS before Pro Tools supports it is >>>>> not recommended, not to mention somewhat risky. People do, however, try >>>>> things out on a separate machine or partition just to experiment. Brace >>>>> yourself (so that you're not shocked) when the question of whether or not >>>>> to upgrade to Ventura comes up for months to come and users will >>>>> repeatedly be pointed toward the compatibility chart on the Avid site. >>>>> When the question inevitably comes up, steel yourself and share the >>>>> following link: >>>>> https://avid.secure.force.com/pkb/articles/en_US/compatibility/Pro-Tools-Operating-System-Compatibility-Chart >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 24, 2022, at 2:56 PM, Christopher Gilland <[email protected] >>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm absolutely shocked beyond belief that not a single person, not even >>>>>> Slau, has written in on the list about this. as of yet. At least, not >>>>>> that I've seen. >>>>>> >>>>>> Remember that today for us Mac users is mager upgrade time. This means >>>>>> OS Monterrey is getting an upgrade officially to OS 13 Ventura. >>>>>> >>>>>> Along with this, we may even be getting the official iPadOS 16, though >>>>>> I'm more here to focus on the mac. >>>>>> >>>>>> It's important to note that the update today for Ventura is *not* a >>>>>> beta... Not even a public beta. It's the official release. >>>>>> >>>>>> That being said, however, doesn't mean that just because the update is >>>>>> out, you immediately should jump for joy with excitement, "it's here, >>>>>> it's here, >>>>>> it's here, finally!" >>>>>> >>>>>> Let me say this: During the beta cicle, neither myself nor others could >>>>>> say much due to nondisclosure NDA agreements. There are probably still >>>>>> things privately >>>>>> being tested which people are on NDA regarding; they most likely >>>>>> probably can't even disclose they are! testing in the first place, so >>>>>> it's most likely >>>>>> probably a waist of your time to ask around. >>>>>> >>>>>> What I'd say is, check, check, check, and oh did I mention, check! And >>>>>> by the way, check! OK, you get my point. >>>>>> >>>>>> The bottom line is, will things work with Ventura? Prr'rrobbably, yes. >>>>>> You should! key word, should! be fine as far as DAW's like Logic, >>>>>> Reaper, ProTools, >>>>>> etc. But! that being said, be careful. The bigger concern is plugins and >>>>>> such. >>>>>> >>>>>> For new users just getting on the bandwaggon with all this stuff, let me >>>>>> be very black and white crystal clear and maybe even a bit direct with >>>>>> you. Even >>>>>> though this would be an official release, you still do this at your own >>>>>> risk. A lot of developers haven't yet officially, and that's the key >>>>>> word here, >>>>>> officially, declared and certified that their software is fully >>>>>> compatible. I definitely don't think Avid has with ProTools. >>>>>> >>>>>> Also note that just because a DAW launches and works in Ventura for the >>>>>> most part doesn't mean it's fully compatible. Depending on your current >>>>>> software, >>>>>> and current hardware setup, you might luck out. Things for you may work >>>>>> flawlessly. But then, the next Joe Bird from down the street may have a >>>>>> totally >>>>>> different setup configuration. He/She/They try installing Ventura, and >>>>>> it wind up being an absolute utter dreadful nightmare. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you have another secondary mac you can try things with, it would be >>>>>> very advisable to try Ventura there before putting it on your main >>>>>> production machine. >>>>>> Once you know that it works OK for your environment, then you could >>>>>> migrate things over slowly little by little to your main machine. The >>>>>> reason >>>>>> I say slowly little by little is that if, hypothetically something does >>>>>> break, you'll remember the last thing in steps you did, and either can >>>>>> undo it, >>>>>> or can say, whoops, that's where things broke. Then you can evaluate, >>>>>> how important is it really that this thing that broke really is. Is it >>>>>> something >>>>>> though completely broken you can tollerate, or is it a total >>>>>> dealbreaker. And hopefully if you're smart, because it broke first on >>>>>> your test machine/environment, >>>>>> it's not like you brought your main machine to a halt, sota speak. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you, like me, don't have a separate system, then you really only have >>>>>> 3 options: 1, best choice, don't do it at all, just wait until things >>>>>> are fully >>>>>> certified to be compatible, 2. Do it, but be darn sure you have either a >>>>>> Time Machine backup of Monterrey, or wherever you were previously, or 3, >>>>>> use an >>>>>> external hard disk, or find a way to partition your current disk without >>>>>> wiping it and dule boot between the 2 OS's until you know things totally >>>>>> are safe. >>>>>> >>>>>> In conclusion, I'm simply just saying, be really really really careful >>>>>> today! Just because the update is there doesn't mean you just have to >>>>>> have it right >>>>>> away. If it means making or breaking your job, then make it. >>>>>> >>>>>> My mamma always told me, if it ain't broken, don't fix it. 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