[TB]
I can't open those links albert. I think it must be the system
administrator, is there any way around this?

[AL]
Maybe I stuffed up, but I think they must have rearranged the site. 
Try corrected links below.
I have just tested that they work ok from here.

        [AL - links fixed]
        Much more interesting than Hansard and JSCEM is the AEC's
submissions
        re Neither - they wrote a whole damn book on us (plus another
volume
        of polling booth by polling booth statistical analysis). Anyone
planning
        to put serious effort into Neither should make a point of
reading it
(we
        need to write one of our own - perhaps collaboratively via web
site).
        Get from following link (parent index to submissions
        and opportunity to save download directly).

http://www.aec.gov.au/committee/jscem.htm

        Most important volume is:

http://www.aec.gov.au/committee/cnet.pdf
But don't click above .pdf as it takes ages and may be difficult to
save. Instead right click on link to "Advocacy of Optional Preferential
Voting" (!)
submission 77 from the previous jscem.htm link above. Then download and
save it first.

        Actual JSCEM report is at
 
        http://www.aph.gov.au/house/committe/em/elec/elec.pdf

Get from following link (parent index to report and opportunity
to save download directly)

http://www.aph.gov.au/house/committe/em/elec/elecinde.htm
Likewise click this elecinde.htm link first instead of clicking above
elec.pdf directly.

        I can't recall Andrew Murray in particular (Anita may). Hansard
        is available from http://www.aph.gov.au both as (large) daily
        Acrobat .pdf files and as (numerous) .html files for each
speech,
        so you could look up Democrats from combination of Senate dates
        and names.

        Dates for debate on Electoral and Referendum Amendment Bill are:
House,
        3 Dec 1997 and (1998) 23 24 March,  and 1 July. 

        Senate (1998), 30 March 3 April, 8 April (Govt response to
Electoral
        Matters Committee report p2393, 25, 26, 29, 30 June.

        We have the .pdf files (also the Bill, Explanatory memoranda and
Acts
        before and after
        etc) which the web content group can put on the web site when it
gets
        going. (NOW please :-)

        These are pretty big and boring so would be better to put just
links
to
        the originals
        plus links to the original .html of the more interesting bits
(e.g.
your
        highlighting
        of Democrats stand, which was quite bizarre).

        If you (or anyone) are looking them up please bookmark all the
links
and
        save the
        index pages so it will be easy to forward them to web content
group
for
        editing into
        neither pages. (Also arrange the links to .html versions for the
more
        interesting
        bits and save the actual .html pages - though that can be
automated
from
        the links).



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