Martin,

Thanks for the crisp answer. Much appreciated. Good to hear that you provide 
something that is usable *now* ...
 
> We will also provide a GoodRelations Annotator (like the "foaf-a-matic" of 
> GoodRelations) and a Validation Services that helps keeping up data quality.

Yes, please. The sooner, the better - esp. the validation stuff. 

Another quick Q: I dunno, but skimming the user guide at [1] didn't suggest to 
me that there are already real-world datasets (such as Amazon, etc.) available 
that have been published using the GoodRelations ontology - can you correct me 
on that one? IMHO this would really make a great linked dataset (I'm CCing 
linked data mailing list therefore ...).

Keep up the great work Martin!

Cheers,
        Michael

[1] http://www.heppnetz.de/projects/goodrelations/primer/ 

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 Michael Hausenblas, MSc.
 Institute of Information Systems & Information Management
 JOANNEUM RESEARCH Forschungsgesellschaft mbH
 
 http://www.joanneum.at/iis/
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        From: Martin Hepp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
        Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 12:22 PM
        To: Hausenblas, Michael
        Cc: semantic-web at W3C
        Subject: Re: GoodRelations - The Web Ontology for E-Commerce
        
        
        Hi Michael:
        
        Thanks! As for relating it to [1]: As for as I understand that work, it 
is mostly about describing what a product *is*. GoodRelations is about 
describing the offers of such products. So [1] is for me rather an extension of 
what eClassOWL is providing - a vocabulary for products, and for exchanging 
vocabularies of products. The main overlap I see is that GoodRelations also 
contains (and must contain) a small top-level ontology for product ontologies, 
which is like a very small subset of what you can do with STEP.
        
        I am pretty sure that this part can be extended in a compatible way so 
that it will be aligned with [1], but this very much depends on the actual 
modeling of [1] in OWL or future versions of OWL.
        
        The primary goal of GoodRelations is to do *now what can be done now* 
with the current version of OWL on current, popular infrastructure. It's about 
making Semantic-Web-based e-commerce a reality in 2008...
        
        By the way, instructions on how to create own GoodRelations-compliant 
ontologies for products and services are at
        
        
http://www.heppnetz.de/projects/goodrelations/documentation/vocabulary-dev
        
        So in short: I personally think both efforts should eventually 
converge. But, based on a couple of years of work on simpler problems than 
those in the scope of the incubator group, I think it will be at least a few 
years down the road until the ambitious goals of the incubator group can be 
turned into deployable results.
        
        Note that GoodRelations and eClassOWL 5.1.4 in combination are readily 
available 
        1. in current W3C languages, 
        2. usable on current infrastructure (repositories + reasoners)
        3. compliant with all known W3C best practices.
        
        You can really start annotating offers TODAY. I am not joking...
        
        We will also provide a GoodRelations Annotator (like the "foaf-a-matic" 
of GoodRelations) and a Validation Services that helps keeping up data quality.
        
        Best
        
        Martin
        
        
        Hausenblas, Michael wrote: 

                Martin,
                
                Great work! We'll very likely soon be able use it in our UAd 
project. One question, though, I wanted to ask you already at ESWC08 but (seems 
both) didn't find the time to talk in greater detail: How is this work related 
to the W3C Product Modelling Incubator Group [1]?
                
                Cheers,
                        Michael
                
                [1] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/w3pm/
                
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                 Michael Hausenblas, MSc.
                 Institute of Information Systems & Information Management
                 JOANNEUM RESEARCH Forschungsgesellschaft mbH
                  
                 http://www.joanneum.at/iis/
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                        -----Original Message-----
                        From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
                        [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Hepp
                        Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 11:22 AM
                        To: semantic-web at W3C
                        Subject: ANN: GoodRelations - The Web Ontology for 
E-Commerce
                        
                        Dear all:
                        
                        We are proud to announce the official release of the 
GoodRelations
                        ontology, a comprehensive effort for making e-commerce 
on the Semantic
                        Web a reality.
                        
                        GoodRelations is a lightweight yet sophisticated 
vocabulary for
                        describing the details of offers made on the Web. It 
empowers
                        manufacturers and shop operators to express the exact 
meaning of their
                        offers in a machine-readable way. This allows search 
engines to support
                        more precise search, and partners in the value chain to 
automate their
                        content integration tasks.
                        
                        1. Project page
                        http://purl.org/goodrelations/
                        2. Ontology
                        http://purl.org/goodrelations/v1
                        3. Specification (via client-side rendering)
                        http://purl.org/goodrelations/v1
                        3. User's Guide
                        http://www.heppnetz.de/projects/goodrelations/primer/
                        
                        GoodRelations complements the eClassOWL ontology, which 
is the first
                        non-toy ontology for products and services. Since the 
initial 
                        release of
                        eClassOWL at ESWC 2005, that ontology has gained 
remarkable attention.
                        The latest version 5.1.4 provides more than 30,000 
product classes and
                        more than 5,000 attributes for describing product 
features.
                        
                        The relationship between these two ontologies is 
straightforward:
                        - eClassOWL provides classes, attributes, and values 
for 
                        describing what
                        a product or service is.
                        - GoodRelations provides everything needed for 
describing the
                        relationship between a business entity and a product or 
service, i.e.,
                        the actual offer and its details. That’s also the 
origin of the name –
                        it’s an ontology for the relations between goods and 
business entities.
                        
                        While eClassOWL is the largest ontology for products 
and services, one
                        can use any other products or services ontology in 
combination with
                        GoodRelations. Only a few guidelines must be met.
                        For example, the Austrian ebSemantics initiative is 
close to release
                        several products and services ontologies for particular 
                        domains (events,
                        tickets, accommodation, etc.) that will be 
GoodRelations-compliant.
                        
                        The main features of GoodRelations are as follows:
                        - Based on currently available Semantic Web standards, 
tools, and
                        infrastructure (“ready to run as of today”)
                        - Minimal requirements on reasoner support – any 
RDF-S-style reasoner,
                        OWL DLP, DL, or ter-Horst reasoner will work
                        - Support for all common business functions, like sell, 
lease, dispose,
                        repair, etc.
                        - Suits both for explicit instances, product models, 
and 
                        anonymous instances
                        - Supports different prices for different types of 
customers 
                        or quantities
                        - Supports product bundles in combination with all 
kinds of units of
                        measurements (“2 kg butter plus 2 cell phones for € 99” 
would 
                        be no problem)
                        - Supports price specifications both as single values 
or ranges
                        - Supports intervals and units of measurements for 
product features
                        - Compatible with eClassOWL and other ontologies
                        - Supports ISO 4217 currencies
                        - Supports defining eligible regions
                        - Supports common delivery and shipping methods
                        - Supports accepted payment methods
                        - Offerings can be constrained to certain eligible 
business entities
                        (e.g. resellers only)
                        - Supports warranty promises, i.e., the duration and 
scope
                        - Supports charges for certain payment or delivery 
options; the latter
                        also individually per region
                        - Compatible with international standards: ISO 3166, 
ISO 4217,
                        UN/CEFACT, [EMAIL PROTECTED], etc.
                        
                        GoodRelations is the result of about five years of work 
in progress,
                        carried out at multiple institutions. The ontology is 
released under a
                        Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 license.
                        
                        Any feedback is very much appreciated! Also, if you 
need support in
                        adopting GoodRelations to your applications or data, 
please contact us.
                        We are already working with several organizations on 
making
                        GoodRelations part of their technology.
                        
                        Best wishes
                        
                        Martin Hepp
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                        e-business and web science research group
                        bundeswehr university munich
                        e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
                        skype  mfhepp
                        web    http://www.heppnetz.de
                        
                        
                        
                            

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