Aldo Bucchi wrote:
Hi All,
My compliments to John on the Facebook Thread. That's a scary sight!
I think the solution to this problem will probably come with Web of
Trust and Identity.
First off, the thought that I might someday be on the other side,
fighting against an unfounded review, makes me think about the
following twice.
OTOH, We will always have people trying to silence free speech, as it
the line is blurry by nature. I can even write something possitive
that, taken out of context, seems negative.
We need both: control and freedom. How can that be achieved?
Let me touch on one possible extremist scenario.
Remember Freenet?
( http://freenetproject.org/ )
They go to the extreme of blurring the identity of the author and
physical location of bits of information. This pretty much prevents
censorship from being applied ( even when it is right to do so ).
Now, I wonder if RDF as is might be used to build something like this
using P2P architectures, or simple mirrors, or bots. It seems that
from a tech POV it would be easy since the only thing moving around is
the bit of data.
Of course this is not a solution either. We do want control to be applicable.
The ideal solution is more in the lines of:
1) Attach identity to the review ( so people take responsibility for
what they say ). Free speech as in freedom, not in free
2) Provide voting mechanisms that also attach identity
3) This makes a review more or less discoverable by whoever consumes the service
Just throwing in some elements into the discussion
Thanks,
A
Aldo,
Nice points.
I've always seen the Web as a "Discourse Discovery & Participation"
platform, of the very open variety.
We live in an inherent duality, so the medium simply needs to reflect
this by allowing clearly identified discourse participants.
I think we are looking at Linked Data driven Discussion Data Spaces that
are bolstered by the likes of FOAF+SSL, OpenID etc..
Note, there are discourse oriented ontologies out in the field [1].
These can be meshed with Discussion Space containers in SIOC.
I am also trying to get the DebateGraph folks in on the act (this mail
is also a deliberate attempt to eek out comments from them :-) ).
Web hosted Discourse is now getting due attention, finally!
Links:
1. http://www.tecweb.inf.puc-rio.br/ontologies/kuaba - Daniel Schwabe
and his team
Kingsley
On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 11:38 AM, John Goodwin
<[email protected]> wrote:
Thanks Tom. I think I've managed to calm them down now :)
I decided to take the pubs linked data because:
1) The reviews were not actually my own (I'd never visited the pub that
caused the trouble) and reading some of the other reviews I realised
that (while amusing) they could easily have been taken the wrong way. I
figured it was probably not great having my name associated with reviews
I didn't write. My site was static and unlike revyu there was no way for
people to write counter reviews.
2) I mainly did it as an experiment to try the whole linked data thing
on an amateur level. I think things have moved on since I started it -
the site was pretty primitive.
3) Southampton locals with burning torches and pitchforks angry their
favourite pub was given a bad review is not a pretty site :)
John
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Sent: 06 March 2009 14:26
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Subject: Re: Pubs data
Hi Kingsley, Hi John,
First off, sympathies John for the roasting on Facebook - not
a nice experience I'm sure.
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