On 6/23/11 9:09 AM, Martin Hepp wrote:
Yes, WebID is out of question a good thing. I am not entirely sure, though,
that you can make it a mandatory requirement for access to your site, because
if a few major consumers do not use WebID for their crawlers, site-owners
cannot block anonymous crawlers.
You can make it part of your QoS and ACL based framework. Basically
saying: if you want more (total records, deeper navigation etc..) please
identify yourself using a verifiable ID :-)
Eventually, an agent will be challenged, go off an get a WebID, return,
get better QoS, even ask for more, get presented with a quote, pay, and
continue. Remember that old Information Super Highway vision, well, its
now finally taking shape with intelligent agents inflection round the
corner. The decoupling of information and data, as exemplified by Linked
Data makes this possible, in a big way.
Ironically, the use of WebID might actually become a Linked Data vector
since the biggest InterWeb headache remains verifiable identity. Thus
far, the following have been rendered borderline useless courtesy of
unverifiable identity:
1. Email
2. Pingbacks
3. Comments.
WebID provides a viable ingredient for fixing all of the above and more.
Fix those and Linked Data generation becomes viral since most existing
apps and services will evolve naturally into Linked Data generators and
consumers.
Web 2.0 stalled (a long time ago) as a result of not having an AWWW
based solution for verifiable identity.
Kingsley
On Jun 22, 2011, at 9:10 PM, Kingsley Idehen wrote:
On 6/22/11 8:05 PM, Martin Hepp wrote:
Glenn:
If there isn't, why not? We're the Semantic Web, dammit. If we aren't the
masters of data interoperability, what are we?
The main question is: Is the Semantic Web an evolutionary improvement of the
Web, the Web understood as an ecosystem comprising protocols, data models,
people, and economics - or is it a tiny special interest branch.
As said: I bet a bottle of champagne that the academic Semantic Web community's technical
proposals will never gain more than 10 % market share among "real" site-owners,
because of
- unnecessary complexity (think of the simplicity of publishing an HTML page
vs. following LOD publishing principles),
- bad design decisions (e.g explicit datatyping of data instances in RDFa),
- poor documentation for non-geeks, and
- a lack of understanding of the economics of technology diffusion.
Hoping you don't place WebID in the academic adventure bucket, right?
WebID, like URI abstraction, is well thought out critical infrastructure tech.
Kingsley
Never ever.
Best
Martin
On Jun 22, 2011, at 3:18 PM, glenn mcdonald wrote:
From my perspective as the designer of a system that both consumes and publishes data, the
load/burden issue here is not at all particular to the semantic web. Needle obeys robots.txt rules,
but that's a small deal compared to the difficulty of extracting whole data from sites set up to
deliver it only in tiny pieces. I'd say about 98% of the time I can describe the data I want from a
site with a single conceptual query. Indeed, once I've got the data into Needle I can almost always
actually produce that query. But on the source site, I usually can't, and thus we are forced to
waste everybody's time navigating the machines through superfluous presentation rendering designed
for people. 10-at-a-time results lists, interminable AJAX refreshes, animated DIV reveals, grafting
back together the splintered bits of tree-traversals, etc. This is all absurdly unnecessary. Why is
anybody having to "crawl" an open semantic-web dataset? Isn't there a
"download" link, and/or a SPARQL endpoint? If there isn't, why not? We're the Semantic
Web, dammit. If we aren't the masters of data interoperability, what are we?
glenn
(www.needlebase.com)
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