Hi, On 7 Aug 2013, at 17:47, Kingsley Idehen <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 8/7/13 12:13 PM, Hugh Glaser wrote: >> Thanks Kingsley. >> Yeah, OK, you got me - anything is better than vi :-) >> Trouble is, of course, many of my friends don't have text editors. > > Yes, but they have tools that already enable them work with plain text based > content. > > The problem we (as a community) have is that we haven't quite recovered from > the problems that RDF/XML brought to bear on this whole Semantic Web Project. > Net effect, we sometimes assume that all RDF model oriented concrete syntaxes > are as user-unfriendly as RDF/XML. > > Turtle is the antithesis of RDF/XML (triple scrambler!) because it makes > triples visible. Thus, you'll find that your friends will be able to write > Turtle using existing tools of choice. BTW -- If they can write long natural > language sentences using these tools, they can certainly achieve the same > results crafting concise Turtle based statements :-) > > I encourage you to try it out on them. I had to go through this very same > process a few years ago while trying to figure out a simple way to unveil > what Linked Data was all about. I have done. These friends are truly not interested in computers, never mind Linked Data - there are lots of people like that, you know! They simply want the thing to what they want, and they want it to do it now. And I often feel the same. > > All major Word Processors and Spreadsheets have the ability to save to plain > text. The same applies to most HTML editors (and you don't need to get into > Microdata, RDFa, or any of that) . Yes, but Word is pretty crap for that - the number of warnings you get when you try it is truly scary! And the capacity to screw up and have a file that doesn't work is high. Yes, people can manage RDF if they want to - but a lot of people don't want to, and ignore me of I try. They just want to do something (access my web site), and anything else is a distraction. Something more restricted is appropriate here. When I type this email I don't expect to type the headers by hand. And shouldn't this be happening on the web? > As you are clearly indicating, which is also my world view and experience, > folks don't want apps forcefully sitting between them and their data. They > want data and apps to be loosely coupled. I wasn't saying that directly - it might be that the service I describe is best implemented that way, but it might not. I really don't care how it is implemented - it is what it does. I am very happy to use iTunes, and this Mailer, both of which have a very strong link. "They" certainly don't care about the implementation - it is just about function. best Hugh > > Related: > > 1. http://bit.ly/SXGj8K -- Ora Lassila video presentation where he explains > the problem with apps and data . > > Kingsley >> >> On 7 Aug 2013, at 14:35, Kingsley Idehen <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> On 8/7/13 9:11 AM, Hugh Glaser wrote: >>>> On 7 Aug 2013, at 13:26, Kingsley Idehen <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>>>> <snip /> >>>>>> Personally I would love to have something better than vi to edit my >>>>>> FOAF, much as I love it :-) >>>>> It now exists :-) >>>>> >>>> Ooo, go on Kingsley, give me hint as to what it is? :-) >>>> Hugh >>>> >>>> >>> Any editor or text editing tool that works for you. The file create, save, >>> and share pattern is what compliments this approach. Thus, create, edit, >>> and then save to your local (or shared) drive (worst case) and then publish >>> to the Web via your own Web Server or via 3rd part storage provider >>> services. >>> >>> Editing Turtle content by hand works well for little chunks of Linked Data. >>> Spreadsheet tools also work well too for producing CSV that's (modulo >>> header) Turtle or N-Triples etc.. >>> >>> >>> The pieces: >>> >>> 1. Text Editing Tool -- whatever suits your user and usage profile >>> 2. Web Publication -- via your own Web Server or third party services (note >>> Norman's example re how to re-route to your down domain). >>> >>> Personally, at the presentation layer, I don't have any notion of "better" >>> or "best" since I've always seen that pursuit as being impossible for >>> humans targets. Basically, this is a classic "horses for courses" type >>> challenge that's best addressed by infrastructure dexterity as exemplified >>> by the architecture of the world wide web (AWWW). >>> >>> Data, Context, and Interaction (DCI [1] pattern which builds on the MVC >>> pattern [2] ) should be loosely coupled. >>> >>> Links: >>> >>> [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data,_context_and_interaction >>> [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model–view–controller . >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Kingsley Idehen >>> Founder & CEO >>> OpenLink Software >>> Company Web: http://www.openlinksw.com >>> Personal Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen >>> Twitter/Identi.ca handle: @kidehen >>> Google+ Profile: https://plus.google.com/112399767740508618350/about >>> LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > -- > > Regards, > > Kingsley Idehen > Founder & CEO > OpenLink Software > Company Web: http://www.openlinksw.com > Personal Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen > Twitter/Identi.ca handle: @kidehen > Google+ Profile: https://plus.google.com/112399767740508618350/about > LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen > > > > >
