Ian,
I'll admit that you're onto something when seeking a hands-down
simpler solution for extensible metadata in HTML5. I wish everyone
involved in this could let the arms down for a little bit and try to
come up with a better solution. Of course, the dream is that such
solution wouldn't totally disregard existing deployments because it
can re-use existing test cases and user behavior. It should also take
into account the 'hard evidence' you have accumulated through yours
(and others' experiments) on what works and what doesn't. However, I
think that making something up new (definitely based on some of your
hard evidence, yet not really tested at least as much as RDFa) is
simply not the best solution moving forward.
On Aug 11, 2009, at 6:35 PM, Ian Hickson wrote:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009, Martin McEvoy wrote:
http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html#selecting-names-when-defining-vocabularies
I must have missed it ;) still reverse DNS identifiers are not really
people friendly, and make your markup very bulky, I think microdata
should have not included them, but that's my personal taste I guess.
I feel the same way about URIs. :-)
That's why I included both; that way people who like one can use
that, and
people who like the other can use that too.
All of my intro simply to say that it's really confusing when you say
stuff like: "I included both". I think this part is really the crux of
the matter. You should be consistent and suggest something because you
have data or real past user experience to prove it's better and not
include "both" to leave things up to personal taste. I thought HTML5
was about not making the mistakes of the past. If you leave this up to
choice, then maybe we need RDFa AND Microdata in HTML5 so people can
choose, but obviously I believe that would be mistake (without even
thinking of which one is right or better). I've been watching all of
this prefix discussion around RDFa hoping to see an improvement on
CURIE, but nothing jumps out yet. One obvious choice is not to have
them at all and keep identifiers small. Anyway, I hope we can all
continue these discussions, because I feel we're making progress and
in the end it'll pay off for the Web.
-Elias
