> On Sep 6, 2015, at 11:30 AM, Tim Berners-Lee <ti...@w3.org> wrote:
> 
> Gregg
> 
> Excellent!  Thank you for taking this on.
> Also having a consistently maintained set of tests should make it much easier
> to build regression tests for things like rdflib.js.
> 
> In its day cwm (now https://github.com/linkeddata/swap ) had a pretty large 
> array of tests for the parers and serializers and inference engines but it  
> has not been maintained recently. 

We could certainly move cwm tests into the repository too. The repository has 
been set up, with a direct view suitable for pointing a test runner at here: 
http://w3c.github.io/rdf-tests/.

Issues and pull requests can be made at https://github.com/w3c/rdf-tests, with 
primary discussion in GitHub issues and public-rdf-te...@w3.org.

> rdllib.js  ( https://github.com/linkeddata/rdflib.js )has a limited number of 
> tests at the moment, but we at CSAIL are hiring a couples of developers  
> (http://crosscloud.org/jobs) and with that and community input and hopefully 
> that may improve.
> 
> These sorts of projects take for granted solid capacity to deal with the 
> basic RDF languages and good tests suites are a bit part of that

I’m happy to do my part to help out.

Gregg

> Tim
> 
> On 2015-09 -04, at 17:08, Gregg Kellogg <gr...@greggkellogg.net> wrote:
> 
>> After prodding, I proposed a new “RDF Test Suite Curation” community group 
>> [1].
>> 
>> The purpose of this group is to provide a home for the test suites and 
>> implementation reports of various Semantic Web/Linked Data specifications. 
>> After the end of a working group, the test suites often become frozen, and 
>> it is difficult to add new tests for issues that come to light later on. 
>> Similarly, some specs are implemented on a base technology, which eventually 
>> evolves (e.g. SPARQL 1.1 and RDF 1.1), and developers need access to updated 
>> tests. This group will create a home for forks of the various test suites 
>> that would be appropriate to act as a redirect for existing tests. Test 
>> updates will be considered based on the consensus of those invested in the 
>> related specifications. Implementation reports can be updated as new reports 
>> are received, giving implementations visibility.
>> Sponsors (1).
>> 
>> This would be a suitable place for curating both RDF and SPARQL test suites 
>> along the lines that Eric suggested. Please consider showing your support.
>> 
>> Gregg Kellogg
>> gr...@greggkellogg.net
>> 
>> [1] https://www.w3.org/community/groups/proposed/
>> 
>>> On Sep 4, 2015, at 6:05 AM, Eric Prud'hommeaux <e...@w3.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> * William Waites <wwai...@tardis.ed.ac.uk> [2015-09-04 12:44+0100]
>>>> I agree that long term curation and maintenance of test suites is a
>>>> good idea. I wonder if it is wise to rely in the long term on Github
>>>> -- who knows how long it will live, it's a private company, etc. It
>>>> might be better for the source code repositories to live at the W3C.
> 
> I agree completely and would encourage people to track git-based projects 
> on 
> 
>>> 
>>> I completely agree that this is a valid concearn. Some projects have
>>> left sourceforge because of misleading adds. I expect to:
>>> 
>>> 1 Publish future specs with a tests/implementations reports link to
>>> w3.org.
>>> 
>>> 2 Proxy that link a github.io site (or whatever's in favor at the
>>> time) with the expectation that W3 will change that redirect if
>>> that sites policies and interface become a problem, or some new
>>> site offers better services.
>>> 
>>> This means we can be held a little bit hostage by inertia and
>>> dependency on services, but at least we have control over what happens
>>> when someone clicks on the tests or implementation report links in
>>> Recommendations. This still leaves the question of who has write keys
>>> to that repo.
>>> 
>>> Some folks have been discussing giving responsibility to the (chair of
>>> the) CG. We could reduce the overhead of establishing consensus if we
>>> elect one or two folks as editors (Gregg Kellogg already produces the
>>> implementation reporets so he's a natural choice) and ask that they
>>> not channge tests before hearing back that two implementors agree and
>>> no one has objected. If folks object, we dream up more process.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> -w
>>>> 
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