The minutes from the June 26 Widgets voice conference are available
at the following and copied below:
<http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-webapps-minutes.html>
WG Members - if you have any comments, corrections, etc., please send
them to the public-webapps mail list before July 14; otherwise the
minutes will be considered approved.
-Regards, Art Barstow
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
Widgets Voice Conference
26 Jun 2008
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-webapps/
2008AprJun/0010.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-waf-irc
Attendees
Present
Art, Marcos, Josh
Regrets
Arve, Mike
Chair
Art
Scribe
Art
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Review Agenda
2. [6]Announcements
3. [7]Meeting Logistics and Agenda
4. [8]Comments on the Requirements LC doc
5. [9]Josh's Short Intro
6. [10]Open Actions
7. [11]Digital Signature
8. [12]AOB
* [13]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________
Date: 26 June 2008
<scribe> Scribe: Art
<scribe> ScribeNick: ArtB
Review Agenda
<scribe> Agenda:
[14]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-webapps/2008AprJun/00
10.html
[14] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-webapps/
2008AprJun/0010.html
AB: any change requests?
... I'd like to add to the agenda a discussion about the Widgets
agenda being public or not
... any objections?
MC: no
JS: no
Announcements
AB: any annoucements?
... no meeting July 3 or July 10
... when do you return from the UK, Marcos
MC: late July
JS: I'll be out the last week of July and then in October
Meeting Logistics and Agenda
MC: why is this meeting being done in a member confidential channel?
AB: good question
... because I'm lazy
... it's a lot easier for me as the Scribe for us to use a
member-only channel that makes it easy to remove any
Member-only/confidential discussions that may arrive
... If no such discussions occur, then 100% of the IRC log becomes
the Public minutes
... any objections to the Agenda being sent on the Public-Webapps
mail list?
... that's OK with me
JS: OK with me
MC: OK with me
<scribe> ACTION: barstow propose all future Widget agendas be Public
and give the WG two weeks to discuss/object [recorded in
[15]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-waf-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-188 - Propose all future Widget agendas be
Public and give the WG two weeks to discuss/object [on Arthur
Barstow - due 2008-07-03].
Comments on the Requirements LC doc
AB: thanks Marcos for getting this out!
JS: I sent Marcos comments already
... I sent him some additional comments
... I still have some more comments to submit
AB: Marcos, anything you want to discuss?
MC: it's hard to discuss some of the issues without Arve being
present
... e.g. he proposed the Security Model
... we also need to have Thomas present for any detailed discussions
about Dig Signatures
... Josh raised some good issues that we need to discuss
... thanks for sending the comments!
AB: an action for me, really to make sure we get the right people on
the calls re Dig Sig and Security
... We should also try to get Thomas to attend the Turin meeting
<scribe> ACTION: Barstow invite Thomas to the Turin meeting re Dig
Sig and Security [recorded in
[16]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-waf-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-189 - Invite Thomas to the Turin meeting
re Dig Sig and Security [on Arthur Barstow - due 2008-07-03].
AB: can you describe the Tracker your using for LC comments, Marcos?
MC: it's a simple system and addresses many of my requirements
AB:
[17]http://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/42538/WD-widgets-r
eqs-20080625
... nice, I see Marcos is already using it
... I like the consistency we can get if everyone uses it
... the only issue I see is the data is Member-confidential
[17] http://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/42538/WD-
widgets-reqs-20080625
MC: that's more of an annoyance then a concern
... If people want the data Public, I can do it in a text file
... or if it has a report generator that creates a text format that
would be good
Josh's Short Intro
JS: I've been with Mozilla for about eight years
... working on a bunch of different things
... I've also worked in Security and mobile content
... I currently work on Nokia's Internet Tablet product
... WRT WebApps, I'm mainly interested in the Widgets work
AB: it's good to get some "new eyes" looking at our specs
MC: yes, it's really helpful
<scribe> ACTION: Barstow talk to Yahoo!'s AC rep about joining
WebApps and participating in the Widgets work [recorded in
[18]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-waf-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-190 - Talk to Yahoo!'s AC rep about
joining WebApps and participating in the Widgets work [on Arthur
Barstow - due 2008-07-03].
Open Actions
AB: [19]http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/waf/products/5
[19] http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/waf/products/5
<scribe> ACTION: Barstow close Issue #17 - we will include Auto
Updates in v1.0 [recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-waf-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-191 - Close Issue #17 - we will include
Auto Updates in v1.0 [on Arthur Barstow - due 2008-07-03].
AB: Action #24 - [21]http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/waf/issues/24
... we need to define some type of extension mechanism
[21] http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/waf/issues/24
JS: yes, this is important
MC: I sent a proposal but it didn't get much support
<scribe> ACTION: Barstow close #24 and re-open a new issue that
emphasizes the issue raised in
[22]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2008AprJun/03
12.html [recorded in
[23]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-waf-minutes.html#action05]
[22] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/
2008AprJun/0312.html
<trackbot> Created ACTION-192 - Close #24 and re-open a new issue
that emphasizes the issue raised in
[24]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2008AprJun/03
12.html [on Arthur Barstow - due 2008-07-03].
[24] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/
2008AprJun/0312.html
MC: I can close Action #122
AB: it would to close as many of these as possible to minimize the
number that need to copied to WebApps
MC: we can close #139 but should check with Charles first
AB: I will close #140 after I ask WSC WG to review the LC doc
... what about #143?
MC: I recommend we close #143
AB: OK with me
JS: me too
<marcos> MC: closed 187
MC: OK, I'll close it
<marcos> MC: closed 185
JS: 19 Dec 2007, Art said he would ask Nokia for a widget security
model - part of Action #144
AB: I'm sure I asked for it
... but I didn't get anything I could share with the public
Digital Signature
JS: did you Art make any progress on Action #183
[25]http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/waf/actions/183 - Investigate
Java model for multiple signatures
[25] http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/waf/actions/183
AB: yes, I got some info
... In MIDP 2.1, only one signature is allowed in a JAR file
... MIDP 3.0, a JAR can contain multiple signatures
MC: we need to raise an issue on this then
... we need to know "how many signatures to support?"
... I think we were moving to supporting multiple
JS: multiple sigs can be useful when certs come from multiple
sources
MC: a question is whether the signature is signed or the contents is
signed more than once
AB: Certificate chaining is supported and deployed widely, I think
any signature specification including the widgets signing spec
should support it.
MC: we are doing that now
AB: Multiple signing is more uncommon. In MIDP, multiple signatures
are "parallel" i.e. every signer signs the content independently,
signers do not sign each other's signatures
MC: we don't have a solution for either of these at the moment
AB: where is "certificate chaining" defined?
MC: XML Signature spec defines it
... it would be good to outline the major use cases in the Dig Sig
spec
... I can create those use cases
JS: I can contribute; this document is important
... and I will submit comments on it
... what is the plan for Dig Sig spec?
MC: the core validation stuff needs to fleshed out
... Getting the core done is most important
... I will try to coordinate working with Josh
AOB
MC: I plan to focus on Auto Updates next week
... want to get that published soon-ish
... certainly before the f2f in Turin
... I'm concerned about the Security spec and the API spec
AB: I'll be on vacation the next two weeks. Return to the Inbox on
July 14.
<marcos> MC: Will be on Vacation on 5-10th
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Barstow close #24 and re-open a new issue that
emphasizes the issue raised in
[26]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2008AprJun/03
12.html [recorded in
[27]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-waf-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: Barstow close Issue #17 - we will include Auto Updates
in v1.0 [recorded in
[28]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-waf-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: Barstow invite Thomas to the Turin meeting re Dig Sig
and Security [recorded in
[29]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-waf-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: barstow propose all future Widget agendas be Public
and give the WG two weeks to discuss/object [recorded in
[30]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-waf-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Barstow talk to Yahoo!'s AC rep about joining WebApps
and participating in the Widgets work [recorded in
[31]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-waf-minutes.html#action03]
[26] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/
2008AprJun/0312.html
[End of minutes]
