The minutes from the July 31 Widgets voice conference are available
at the following and copied below:
<http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-wam-minutes.html>
WG Members - if you have any comments, corrections, etc., please send
them to the public-webapps mail list before August 7 (next voice
conference); otherwise these minutes will be considered approved.
-Regards, Art Barstow
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
Widgets Voice Conference
31 Jul 2008
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/
2008JulSep/0289.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-wam-irc
Attendees
Present
Art, Arve, Benoit, Marcos, David, Claudio, Luca, Nick, Mark,
Bryan
Regrets
Chair
Art
Scribe
Art
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Review Agenda
2. [6]Annoucements
3. [7]OMTP Intro
4. [8]Widget Requirments Last Call
5. [9]Widget State Change Events
6. [10]R15 and R16
7. [11]Turing f2f Attendance
* [12]Summary of Action Items
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Date: 31 July 2008
<scribe> Scribe: Art
<scribe> ScribeNick: ArtB
Review Agenda
<scribe> Agenda:
[13]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2008JulSep/02
89.html
[13] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/
2008JulSep/0289.html
AB: any changes?
[None]
Annoucements
AB: new people include Bryan from AT&T and Nick and David from OMTP
... What is your interest Bryan in this WG?
BS: I'm active in MWBP and DD WGs
... the WebApps' Widgets specs are of interest to me in the mobile
context
AB: reminder that the Turnin f2f is Aug 26-28
... any other announcements?
Benoit: our widget implementation work is progressing well and we
hope to be more active in this WG
OMTP Intro
NA: I am OMTP CTO
DR: I am involved in external relationships; also have a mobile
security background
NA: OMTP is an industry forum; 4 years old now
... it's all about mobile applications and services
... we have 8 operators participating
<marcos_> [14]http://www.omtp.org/Membership.aspx
[14] http://www.omtp.org/Membership.aspx
NA: we have mainly produced requirements aka "recommendations"
... areas of focus are: application security e.g. signing
... also some reqs for browser functionality
<marcos_> [15]http://www.omtp.org/Publications.aspx
[15] http://www.omtp.org/Publications.aspx
NA: BONDI is the result of a study we did
... reflects what our members are doing and others
...
[16]http://opengardensblog.futuretext.com/archives/2008/07/omtp_bond
i_a_de_1.html
[16] http://opengardensblog.futuretext.com/archives/2008/07/
omtp_bondi_a_de_1.html
<marcos_> [17]http://www.omtp.org/bondi/
[17] http://www.omtp.org/bondi/
NA: we see lots of fragmented APIs and weak security
... "BONDI" it is mainly a marketing term
... but its about app security and secure APIs
... we are focused on reqs but specs are needed
... want to work with W3C regarding the specs
... i.e. want W3C's specs to address our reqs if possible
... we will publish draft docs in the middle of next week
... we have two WGs Interfaces and Architecute + Security
... interfaces in this context means JavaScript
... we realize the interfaces must be based on good security model
... e.g. policy management and delegating authority
... also expect the "package" to have a clear identity
... we think our interests align well with the WebApps WG
... there could be other WGs of interest e.g. Geolocation WG
... any questions?
AB: thanks for that intro
... I'm a bit concerned about the IPR commitments from OMTP inputs
... especially since some members of OMTP are not members of the W3C
NA: we are working on a concrete proposal on how to deal with this
issue
AB: please include me in any related discussions with the W3C staff
NA: will do
Widget Requirments Last Call
AB: comment period ends on August 1
... will that meet your timeframe Nick?
NA: yes
DR: we will submit comments by the deadline
Benoit: when is the "real" deadline
MC: I can handle some late feedback but don't want to extend the
deadline too far
AB: I can send a reminder to the WGs
MC: I'm OK with extending the period one week if necessary
<scribe> ACTION: barstow send a reminder to all of the WGs we asked
to do a review [recorded in
[18]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-wam-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-19 - Send a reminder to all of the WGs we
asked to do a review [on Arthur Barstow - due 2008-08-07].
Benoit: we want to use the f2f to finalize the P&C spec, right?
MC: yes, that's the plan
Bryan: what level of comments are you expecting?
... thoughts and questions or detailed requiements?
MC: comments at all levels are welcome
Bryan: I am working with the MWBP WG to consolidate their reqs
MC: great
AB: the LC doc is:
[19]http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-widgets-reqs-20080625
... where do we stand on Cynthia's comment?
[19] http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-widgets-reqs-20080625
MC: she is asking about the relationship to the WAI Content
Guidelines
... I agree we need a proper reference
... and I can add it
... here is my response
[20]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2008JulSep/02
95.html
[20] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/
2008JulSep/0295.html
AB: any objections to the proposal I submitted?
[None]
MC: I will update the doc accordingly
AB: what about Benoit's comments?
... I haven't read them yet
Benoit: and I haven't read Marcos response
AB: then let's follow up on the mail list
... what about Krzysztof's comments?
MC: I am working on a response
... some of the major things he raises are why we don't use MIME for
the packaging format
... also raises issues related to the AWWW and file extensions
AB: should we try to invite him to an interactive chat/IRC session?
MC: good idea
<scribe> ACTION: Barstow work with Marcos to set up an IRC/chat
session with Krzysztof [recorded in
[21]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-wam-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-20 - Work with Marcos to set up an
IRC/chat session with Krzysztof [on Arthur Barstow - due
2008-08-07].
Widget State Change Events
Benoit: want to be able to programtically change the Widgets' state
... e.g. programatically change Widget from "docked" to "not docked"
MC: OK, I understand
R15 and R16
Benoit: regarding R15
[22]http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-widgets-reqs-20080625/#r15.-
[22] http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-widgets-reqs-20080625/#r15.-
MC: I see what you mean
AB: I agree R15 should be MUST
BS: <clarifies his comments on Proxies>
MC: I've clarified that text
Bryan: I will send a comment re the platform proxy
... by default, a platform proxy may be essential e.g. within an
enterprise domain
... should leverage the platform proxy if one is defined
MC: what about a per-widget proxy
Bryan: that could be useful
MC: any other comments on the proxy issue?
[None]
AB: any other feedback Benoit on Marcos' response to you?
Benoit: nothing jumps out yet; I'll read later but in general Marcos
has done good work
... when do you expect to complete the review Marcos?
MC: hopefully by the end of next week
... if we get new reqs that could slow things
Benoit: what's the next step?
AB: the next phase in Candidate
... it can sit in Candidate state for 3-4 weeks or several months;
we can decide later
Benoit: is the plan for P&C spec to go to LC in October still
current?
MC: I'd feel better if we did not go to LC until there is at least a
quick-and-dirty implementation
Arve: a problem with implementing before LC is that the proto tends
to stick
... I recommend not implementing until after LC
Turing f2f Attendance
MC: yes
Arve: YES
<Benoit> yes
Nick and David: yes
Bryan: no
Claudio and Luca: yes
Art: yes
Mark: not sure; hope to though
... If I can't make it then somone else from VF should be able to
attend
AB: meeting closed
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: barstow send a reminder to all of the WGs we asked to
do a review [recorded in
[23]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-wam-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Barstow work with Marcos to set up an IRC/chat session
with Krzysztof [recorded in
[24]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-wam-minutes.html#action02]
[End of minutes]
