The minutes from the August 21 Widgets voice conference are available
at the following and copied below:
<http://www.w3.org/2008/08/21-wam-minutes.html>
WG Members - if you have any comments, corrections, etc., please send
them to the public-webapps mail list before August 28; otherwise
these minutes will be considered approved.
-Regards, Art Barstow
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
Widgets Voice Conference
21 Aug 2008
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/
2008JulSep/0445.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2008/08/21-wam-irc
Attendees
Present
Art, Arve, Marcos, Mike, Claudio
Regrets
Nick, David, Benoit, Thomas
Chair
Art
Scribe
Art
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Turin Logistics
2. [6]Agenda Review
3. [7]Turing Agenda
4. [8]Comments from Krzy
5. [9]Benoit's comments
6. [10]AOB
* [11]Summary of Action Items
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Date: 21 August 2008
<scribe> Scribe: Art
<scribe> ScribeNick: ArtB
<marcos> Eataly! :D
Turin Logistics
CV: taxis from airport to hotel cost about 30-40 euros depending on
the hotel
... expect mild weather
... Regarding dress code, short pants are OK for the meeting
... Be careful to only use official taxis, typically white or yellow
... Trains from Milan to Turin are pretty easy to take
<arve> marcos: you're difficult to hear
<marcos> Arve, will try to sit closer to the mic
CV: to walk from Art hotel to meeting location should take about 30
mins
AB: who is staying at the Art hotel?
<arve> I am
<marcos> I am too
AB: Marcos, Arve, me too; we can take a taxi to the meeting ~ 9:30
on Tues morn?
Agenda Review
AB: agenda
[12]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2008JulSep/04
45.html
... any change requests?
[12] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/
2008JulSep/0445.html
MC: Krzy sent some comments right before the meeting
... we can talk about his new comments
Turing Agenda
AB: I updated it a bit last week
... any general comments?
CV: can Telecom Italia send some observers to parts of the meeting?
AB: yes, that's fine
... I've asked Thomas Landsburg to do a short preso on Webwag mobile
Comments from Krzy
<marcos> MC: new comments
[13]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2008JulSep/04
49.html
[13] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/
2008JulSep/0449.html
AB: any comments about Marcos original response to Krzy?
[None]
AB: Marcos, please summarize Krzy's latest comments
MC: a few of his comments are quite complicated
... e.g. IRI versus URI usage is a bit conflated and I need to fix
that in both the Reqs doc and at least the P&C spec
... He recommends we de-emphasize "web widgets" aka gadgets
... I think we just need to make a distinction
AB: I agree we need a clear distinction
CV: during WWW2008 Art made a presentation about Widgets
... I think that definition removed "web widgets" from our
definition of Widgets
... They are indeed two different things
Arve: we could call this a Widget runtime spec
MC: yes, that would be more specific
<marcos> Widget Runtime 1.0?
AB: people have used the term "WAF Widgets"
... that would now be "WebApps Widgets"
<claudio> Art said: a specification covering various aspects of Web
applications that can be installed to a local computer and still
access the Web
MC: I like the idea of adding "runtime"
AB: we would need a good definition of runtime
... it could also includes some implementation context
Arve: I think in one paragraph of text we can clarify this
MC: we have a lot of text already
... I think the problem is the Name
... my fear is the name becomes a gate and people don't enter/read
based on the name
<scribe> ACTION: marcos propose a new name for the Widget spec that
helps separate our model from the "web widget" model aka gadets
[recorded in
[14]http://www.w3.org/2008/08/21-wam-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-24 - Propose a new name for the Widget
spec that helps separate our model from the \"web widget\" model aka
gadets [on Marcos Caceres - due 2008-08-28].
MC: MIME is raised as an alternative way to package the Widgets
... I think we need to consider this but perhaps not until v2
AB: I want to continue to use ZIP
MC: agree that based on what has been implemented, ZIP makes senese
... However, using MIME could help address some issues
Arve: I want to stay with ZIP; MIME has not been considered by Opera
... I would expect MIME to introduce a new set of problems
CV: I don't have any comments; I can live with ZIP
... I would need to see some compelling use cases to consider an
alternative packaging format
MS: I agree with Claudio's comments re use cases
... Without some additional motiviation I'm OK with ZIP
AB: Propose: we stay with ZIP as the packaging format; we will
analyze MIME for v2
... any objections to this proposal?
[None]
RESOLUTION: we will stay with ZIP as the packaging format for v1; we
will analyze MIME for v2
AB: any other comments we should discuss now?
MC: I recommend everyone read his comments
... I will respond in due time
... Others should respond too
... I am very thankful to Krzysztof for his comments
... they were very useful!
CV: regarding life cycle and events, can you summarize his comments,
especially if he is proposing something different then our model?
MC: I think his model is similar to ours but he wants to add a small
addition
... He isn't proposing any changes to what I've put in the spec
... Just an addition
AB: so everyone, please read Krzy's comments and respond on
public-webapps
Benoit's comments
AB: what is the status Marcos?
MC: I've responded to all of Benoit's comments
AB: OK; great
MC: I just need him to confirm my responses; most of his comments
were Editorial
AOB
AB: please remember to bring your passport to the meeting!
... what are your plans for remote participation?
MS: I should be available for most of the meeting
AB: Meeting adjourned; see you in Turin on Tuesday!
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: marcos propose a new name for the Widget spec that
helps separate our model from the "web widget" model aka gadets
[recorded in
[15]http://www.w3.org/2008/08/21-wam-minutes.html#action01]
[End of minutes]
