umm, not FPWD, rather updated WD ...

Also, the 2.0 requirements document is here: 
http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-xmlsec-reqs2-20100204/

The latest publications status of all 1.1 and 2.0 XML Security documents is at http://www.w3.org/2008/xmlsec/wiki/PublicationStatus

regards, Frederick

Frederick Hirsch
Nokia



On Apr 7, 2010, at 9:19 AM, Hirsch Frederick (Nokia-CIC/Boston) wrote:

Thanks Andreas

Yes it seems counter-intuitive not to canonicalize XML, but  it is
really only needed once the XML has been parsed, and avoiding
canonicalization saves resources.

Are you aware of the XML Security WG  and the recent FPWD of Canonical
XML 2.0 [1] and XML Signature 2.0 [2]? These are intended to improve
simplicity, usability, streamability, reduced attack surface etc. Your
comments would be very welcome!

regards, Frederick

Frederick Hirsch
Nokia

[1] http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-xml-c14n2-20100304/

[2] http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-xmldsig-core2-20100304/


On Apr 7, 2010, at 9:00 AM, ext [email protected] wrote:

Hi Frederik, hi Thomas !

I don't want to critisize the decisions taken by your group. To keep
implementations and testing easy is a good reason !

But from my outside view it's a bit suprising : Seeing that XMLDSig
is used let's me expect a complex solution. So it would be good to
read at the introduction level that the use of  XMLDSig is limited
to a small subset and doesn't necessarily implies a huge
infrastructure.

Another aspect of XMLDSig's complexity is the way people used work
with it. For example I would add a canonicalization step to each
external XML document without thinking about it ... So I would
mandate an explicit note in the spec and maybe a special error
definition in case a canonicalization is used or other widget
specific constraints are violated.

Greetings

Andreas

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Betreff: Re: Widget Signature modification proposal (revised)
Gesendet: Mi, 07. Apr 2010
Von: Frederick Hirsch<[email protected]>

Andreas

The intent of the proposed change is to remove ambiguity and thus
enable interop - not to make it more complicated.

I think having a clear profile with fewer choices should make it
simpler for implementation.

This may be on the agenda for the call this Thursday.

regards, Frederick

Frederick Hirsch
Nokia



On Apr 7, 2010, at 6:04 AM, ext Thomas Roessler wrote:

[email protected] wrote:
from the implementors perspective these modifications don't
introduce too much trouble. But I'm a little bit concerned about
the explicit ban of canonicalizations for 'external' documents like
config.xml.

It is, in the first place, the default behavior of the XML Signature
Reference Processing Model for external documents.

You're right that there's a possible design choice here to *permit*
(not
mandate) canonicalization regardless. It sounds like you suggest
that
the WG make that choice, by not prohibiting use of C14N for XML
content,
but simply leaving it open?





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