The draft minutes from the October 7 Widgets voice conference are
available at the following and copied below:
http://www.w3.org/2010/10/07-wam-minutes.html
WG Members - if you have any comments, corrections, etc., please send
them to the public-webapps mail list before October 21 (the next Widgets
voice conference); otherwise these minutes will be considered Approved.
-Art Barstow
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
Widgets Voice Conference
07 Oct 2010
[2]Agenda
[2]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010OctDec/0051.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2010/10/07-wam-irc
Attendees
Present
Art_Barstow, Robin_Berjon, Steven_Pemberton, Marcos_Caceres
Regrets
Chair
Art
Scribe
Art
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Review and tweak agenda
2. [6]Announcements
3. [7]Widget Interface spec
4. [8]widget: URI scheme
5. [9]AOB
* [10]Summary of Action Items
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<scribe> ScribeNick: ArtB
<scribe> Scribe: Art
Review and tweak agenda
AB: a draft agenda was submitted yesterday (
[11]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010OctDec/00
51.html ). Any change requests?
[11]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010OctDec/0051.html
Announcements
AB: October 26 is the deadline for comments re October 5 LCWD of
Widget Packaging and Configuration (
[12]http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-widgets-20101005/ )
... TPAC: widgets group will not meet; registration after October 22
results in increased registration fee (
[13]http://www.w3.org/2010/11/TPAC/#Registration )
[12] http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-widgets-20101005/
[13] http://www.w3.org/2010/11/TPAC/#Registration
Widget Interface spec
AB: Addison Philips submitted a comment against the 7-Sep-2010 LCWD
(
[14]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010JulSep/07
28.html ) and it raises the issues about how a developer can
determine the locale and direction for the "span-able" properties.
... Marcos submitted a proposal to address the issues (
[15]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010OctDec/00
33.html ).
... so far, I don't think anyone has responded to MC's proposal
[14]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010JulSep/0728.html
[15]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010OctDec/0033.html
MC: yes, that's correct
AB: not clear if directionality needs to be an explicit part of the
API or if the spec can "punt" on that as suggested by Marcos f.ex.
by following (
[16]http://www.iamcal.com/understanding-bidirectional-text/ )
[16] http://www.iamcal.com/understanding-bidirectional-text/
MC: I think the API needs some type of extension
... eg. the Localizeable DOM String
... to add language
... thus getters can work
<Marcos> eg. widget.name.lang
AB: that part seems straight-forward
MC: the algorithm can be written in JS
... don't think we should deal with that at the API level
AB: so you think the directionality is out of scope for the API
... i.e. is handled by some layer above the API
... is that correct?
MC: yes
AB: anyone else have input on this issue?
SP: think we need to hear from the I18N WG
RB: yes, I agree
... don't think directionality should be part of the API
... for example, it should definitely not be settable
<scribe> ACTION: barstow ask the I18N WG to respond to Marcos'
proposal for Interface locale and directionality [recorded in
[17]http://www.w3.org/2010/10/07-wam-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-588 - Ask the I18N WG to respond to
Marcos' proposal for Interface locale and directionality [on Arthur
Barstow - due 2010-10-14].
AB: I'm becoming increasingly concerned the bidi model in P&C is
overly complicated for a Level 1 spec. Could greatly simplify
everything by dropping span and just defining the "dir" attribute
for the span-able elements. Any additional info that is needed can
be accessed via indirection i.e. include a URI in the metadata.
MC: in Opera we haven't had any problems implementing it
... it is quite simple to process
AB: the use cases we see for these span-able elements is quite
limited
... e.g. just to display the name of a widget in a home screen
... or the description is displayed by a widget "store"
MC: I did a whole lot of research for this
<Marcos> reseach was
[18]http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/i18n.html
[18] http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/i18n.html
AB: I realize there are use cases for lots of embedded spans with
different directions
... but for a L1 spec we want wide deployement, it seems rather
complicated
... the other concern I would have here is will we get 2 impls that
pass all of the span and dir test cases
... do the test cases include nested spans with direction changes?
MC: yes, they do
... would it help if I send my JS impl to the list?
AB: yes, I think it would be helpful
... anything else on Interface spec for today?
... we'll have to go back to LC to add "lang" support
... unless we define the lang in a separate spec
MC: I think other implementers will provide data about supporting
P&C bidi model
AB: that would be good information to have
widget: URI scheme
AB: what's the status and plan Robin?
RB: I've been wondering if it should include navigation
... and wondering if we coud use or resue the blob: uri scheme that
is defined in the File API spec
... would be cleaner to put navigation in a separate spec
... but would be easier to add it to uri scheme
... spawning another spec has disadvantages
... Need to get feedback from implementors re navigation
MC: we should do another landscape investigation
... some impls don't navigate at all
... for instance, Opera doesn't navigate
AB: you mean intra-widget package is not allowed
MC: correct, that is not allowed
... if click on a link, it starts a new browser
RB: for V1, wondering if spec should be silent on navigation
MC: think we can live with that
... there are some UCs for navigation
RB: what if an iframe is included in widget's index.html?
MC: not sure
AB: without more data, hard to know if we should say something
normative, non-normative or remain silent
... Marcos, does the landscape doc touch on navigation?
MC: no, it's a bit dated and didn't look at these more sophisticated
use cases
AB: can one of your ask for some feedback?
MC: yes, I can do that
AB: ok; great and I'll send in info from the Qt WRT implementation
<scribe> ACTION: marcos Ask implementors for feedback on navigation
models supported [recorded in
[19]http://www.w3.org/2010/10/07-wam-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-589 - Ask implementors for feedback on
navigation models supported [on Marcos Caceres - due 2010-10-14].
RB: need to know if widget: URI is exposed
... how about Opera, Marcos?
MC: we use it but don't think we expose it
RB: perhaps I should ask the list if there is value in merging
widget and blob URIs
... but if there are already impls, we don't want to break them
... Given the IANA/IETF work involved, would be good to reuse a
schemem if we can
AB: it would be good to know if other implementors support widget:
scheme
... I believe (not certain) that widget URI scheme is implemented by
the Qt WRT, at least the alpha release
... would be good to get implementor feedback on widget: scheme
... could use the same email as navigation request
MC: ok, I'll ask both
AB: so, registration is on hold pending more implementor feedback.
Is that correct Robin?
RB: yes, we need to get more feedback
<Marcos> <a href="iframe.html">navigate to iframe</a>
<Marcos> <iframe width="200" height="200" id="iframe"
src="iframe.html">
<Marcos> </iframe>
<Marcos> <p id="hello"></p>
<Marcos> <script>
<Marcos> var iframe = document.getElementById("iframe").src;
<Marcos> var p = document.getElementById("hello");
<Marcos> p.innerHTML = iframe;
<Marcos> </script>
MC: when "navigate to iframe" is clicked, the widget does Not
navigate to iframe.html
AOB
AB: any topics?
... next meeting ...
... 1 or 2 weeks?
... let's go for 2 weeks which is Oct 21
... and as always, take discussion to the list
... meeting adjourned
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: barstow ask the I18N WG to respond to Marcos' proposal
for Interface locale and directionality [recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2010/10/07-wam-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: marcos Ask implementors for feedback on navigation
models supported [recorded in
[21]http://www.w3.org/2010/10/07-wam-minutes.html#action02]
[End of minutes]
