On Dec 9, 2013, at 11:03 PM, Matthew McNulty <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Ryosuke Niwa <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Dec 9, 2013, at 9:34 PM, Ryosuke Niwa <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> On Dec 9, 2013, at 11:13 AM, Scott Miles <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> I'm not wont to try to summarize it here, since he said it already better 
>>> there. Perhaps the short version is: nobody knows what the 'standard use 
>>> case' is yet.
>> 
>> How is that possible given we've already spent 2+ years on the whole web 
>> components effort?
> 
> I don't want to start a word game here
> 
> Really? Because that is exactly what you are doing. This is the equivalent of 
> "no offense, but..." It's disingenuous to put it mildly. 

I'm sorry if I offended you but I never intend to play a word game since it's 
not a productive use of my time.  I do admit that I never word things nicely.  
I'm not a pleasant person to talk with.  I'm sorry.

> but if it's really true that we don't know what web components' the 
> primary/standard use case is, then we have a much bigger issue here.
> 
> And here's where you start the word game, by adding words and subtly changing 
> the definition from what was obviously intended, and then fighting against 
> your new straw man. 

That was definitely not my intention.

> You know exactly what was meant by what Scott said.

No, I don't.

> How developers and the wider ecosystem of the web will precisely use the 
> primitives provided by the platform and the patterns that then emerge are 
> unknown at best at this early stage.

Could you elaborate more on what you mean by this?

> We know what use cases we are trying to solve, and so do you.

Could you give me pointers to the exact list of use case you have?

> By providing the lowest-level primitives possible, we're opening the door to 
> use cases we haven't even considered. This is A Good Thing.

No. That's not a use case.

- R. Niwa

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