On Feb 14, 2014, at 7:07 PM, Ryosuke Niwa <[email protected]> wrote: > On Feb 14, 2014, at 6:12 PM, Daniel Freedman <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Since you have preciously claimed that instantiating a template element may >>> not be a common pattern for custom elements / web components, I have a hard >>> time accepting the claim that you’re certain accessing shadow root is a >>> common coding pattern. >>> >>> Surely as the person asking for the more restricted form, the onus falls to >>> you to make the argument that the added restrictions show their value. >> >> I don’t think it’s fair to say that we’re asking for the more restricted >> form since Apple has never agreed to support the more open form (Type I >> encapsulation) in the first place. >> >> I don't understand this point, can you elaborate? It certainly seems like >> you are asking for a form of ShadowDOM encapsulation that is more >> restrictive than the already defined Type 1. > > On Feb 14, 2014, at 6:55 PM, Alex Russell <[email protected]> wrote: >> > I don’t think it’s fair to say that we’re asking for the more restricted >> > form since Apple has never agreed to support the more open form (Type I >> > encapsulation) in the first place. >> >> Wait....what? Either what you want *is* more restricted than Type 1 or it's >> not. If it is, the burden falls to you to outline use-cases and identify >> users (as type 1 proponents have). >> > I’m saying that YOU are the one asking for Type I encapsulation on the basis > that we’ve never agreed that Type I encapsulation is necessary or desirable > for the level 1 specifications. The only consensus we’ve had in this working > group so far was to add a switch between two modes since Google > representatives have insisted that they want Type I encapsulation and Apple > representatives have insisted that we want Type II encapsulation. Neither > party has convinced each other that either type is desirable, let alone which > one is a better default, as far as I can tell. > I’m not saying that only Type I encapsulation proponents bear the burden to make the case. I’m simply stating that proponents of Type I and Type II encapsulations equally bear the burdens to make their case for each encapsulation model.
- R. Niwa
