If not a legal opinion, maybe "common understanding" would still be useful.

As a simple rule I'd suggest to respect any legally binding exclusions of a given jurisdiction (to apply to all CAs that do business in that jurisdiction). Does that make sense?

Thanks,
M..D.

On 5/4/2016 8:42 PM, Ryan Sleevi wrote:

Dean,

Based on the advice we've received, I don't believe that would be useful. The matter is unlikely to be able to be settled by the Forum - in the event of lawsuit, it will have to be resolved by adjudication. While individual members and their counsel may have differing opinions as to the appropriateness of the exclusions, the Forum itself cannot offer a legal opinion. The possibilities would be to update the Bylaws or propose a new ballot, and that's a significant enough activity that it would likely require a separate exploration.

On May 4, 2016 9:55 AM, "Dean Coclin" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    Ben-I think it may be worthwhile to convene another session of the
    current PAG
    to come up with a recommendation on how to handle the
    discrepancies discussed.
    I don't think it benefits the forum or the public to have different
    interpretations of exclusion notice validities and hence I would
    recommend the
    PAG work on this as a final item.

    Dean

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Gervase Markham [mailto:[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>]
    Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 1:51 PM
    To: Dean Coclin <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>>; CABFPub <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>>
    Subject: Re: [cabfpub] IPR Exclusion notices

    On 03/05/16 18:11, Dean Coclin wrote:
    > Gerv,
    > I think you make my point by using the word, "seems" in front of
    both
    > conclusions that you draw.

    Sorry, I was being British and understating. My point is that it
    doesn't seem
    that the rules were ambiguous.

    > Why force participants to draw inexact conclusions when we can
    easily
    > fix this with a ballot.

    If you want to fix this with a ballot, without saying I support
    such a move,
    the best ballot would be the most limited - the one which rules on
    precisely
    the two disclosures which are in question.

    > I'm actually surprised that our IPR policy, given past and numerous
    > discussions about making all things CA/B Forum public, only says
    that
    > the exclusion notice has to be provided to the Chair. Am I the only
    > one amazed by that? Am I misinterpreting something?

    It is a little surprising, but the CAB Forum has been on a journey
    towards
    greater transparency, and sometimes the consequences of rare
    things are
    missed.

    Gerv


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