On 02/05/17 02:32, Jeremy Rowley via Public wrote:
We’ve already seen spats about “demeaning” and “inappropriate” so I
think the Forum does need to address the scope of that particular issue.
Likewise, what's the scope of "(a) In connection with official Forum
activities," ?
What happens if, for example, Forum member X posts a message to cabfpub,
and then Forum member Y tweets disparaging remarks about that message
and member X?
Twitter itself isn't in scope. Twitter conversations between Forum
members about matters unrelated to the Forum aren't in scope. However,
arguably a tweet about something Forum-related _is_ "in connection with
official Forum activities". Is that the intent?
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Hi Jeremy,
I think the words used are pretty clear, and they are used in other SDO
Codes of Conduct without any confusion, problem or issue. If you’d like
to propose *_specific words_* that you’d suggest we use instead, we’d be
happy to consider them and *_determine if they are any more clear_*.
We should keep in mind that these are common sense, plain English terms.
It is troubling that people are picking at words like “demeaning” and
“inappropriate.” Do Forum members need to reserve the right to engage
in certain types of demeaning and inappropriate conduct?
It’s not about stifling conversation. It’s about treating fellow Forum
members with professionalism and respect. I don’t understand why there
is resistance to that.
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Apple Inc.
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On May 1, 2017, at 5:55 PM, Jeremy Rowley <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Suggestions:
(b) Refrain from conduct __within the Forum__ such as:
* Directly insulting or demeaning another person
[JR] This seems vague. Some people take things as demeaning when they
are not meant to be demeaning. I think this could be used to stifle
conversation. We’ve had accusations that conduct has been
insulting/demeaning on the forum. Would you say it’s risen to that
level? I support the principle, but would like clarity so we don’t get
end up mixing persons with ideas eventually.
* Touching another person in a physically inappropriate way.
* Deliberately intimidating, stalking or following (online or in
person) another person.
[JR] Following online? Like on twitter?
* Inappropriately disrupting official Forum events, including
meetings, talks, and presentations.
[JR] Inappropriately is too vague. Are we trying to change a specific
behavior at the CAB Forum? Could we clarify what this means?
* Spamming, trolling, flaming, baiting, and other attention-stealing
behavior.
[JR] Baiting/flaming are too similar to criticism of the idea. Can we
add clarity?
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