Final Minutes for CA/Browser Forum Teleconference – February 8, 2018

Attendees: Arno Fiedler (D-TRUST), Atsushi Inaba (GlobalSign), Ben Wilson 
(DigiCert), Bob Wiegand (SSL.com), Bruce Morton (Entrust), Christopher Kemmerer 
(SSL.com), Corey Bonnell (Trustwave),Curt Spann (Apple), Daymion Reynolds 
(GoDaddy), Devon O’Brien (Google), Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA), Enrico 
Entschew (D-TRUST), Fotis Loukos (SSL.com), Gervase Markham (Mozilla), Jeff 
Ward (WebTrust), Jos Purvis (Cisco), Julie Olson (GlobalSign), Kirk Hall 
(Entrust), Leo Grove (SSL.com), Li-Chun Chen (Chunghwa Telecom), Michele Coon 
(OATI), Mike Reilly (Microsoft), Patrick Tronnier (OATI), Peter Bowen (Amazon), 
Peter Miąkovič (Disig), Rick Andrews (DigiCert), Ryan Sleevi (Google), Shelley 
Brewer (DigiCert),Tim Hollebeek (DigiCert), Tim Shirley (Trustwave), Virginia 
Fournier (Apple), Wayne Thayer (Mozilla), Wendy Brown (Federal PKI).

1.  Roll Call

2.  Read Antitrust Statement

3.  Review Agenda.  Agenda was approved.

4.  Approval of Minutes from teleconference of Jan. 25, 2018.  The Minutes were 
approved and will be posted to the Public list.

5.  Governance Change Working Group update.  Ben said the WG had a call last 
week, reviewed remaining issues again, and addressed them individually.  The WG 
has started using an issues/comments tracking sheet to deal with comments.  
Comments and suggestions have been divided into three groups: critical (working 
on now), important (to be addressed later), and those which will not be 
included.

Virginia circulated revised document drafts addressing people’s comments.  She 
said the WG still needs to make a couple of changes to the Bylaws, after which 
the WG plans to circulate Ballot 206 for an informal discussion period where 
remaining concerns can be addressed, then move to a 7-day formal discussion 
period and then a vote.  The ballot will take effect immediately if passed, as 
it does not amend any guidelines.  Kirk asked if all transition periods between 
the old and new governance structures were clear, and Virginia said yes.

Wayne asked if an amended IPR Agreement would be needed, and Virginia said yes. 
 Wayne asked what would happen in the interim period, after the Ballot passes 
but not every member has signed the new IPR Agreement – was it possible there 
would be no Forum members or not enough members for some period?  Kirk said 
perhaps there should be a double trigger – the ballot doesn’t take full effect 
until it passes and some minimum number of members sign the new IPR Agreement.  
Ryan suggested maybe the Forum allow a period like 90 days for members to sign 
the new agreement, after which their membership rights would be limited.

6.  Policy Review Working Group update.  Ben said the WG is working through the 
BRs to make the changes in terminology, and is now up to Sec. 8.5.

7.  Network Security Working Group update.  Ben said the WG reviewed a 
red-lined copy of the NetSec Requirements amendments on the last call, and was 
addressing issues like password requirements, multi-factor authentication, and 
certificate system zones.  Kirk asked if a ballot would be presented soon, and 
Ben said the WG needed more time and would be meeting at the F2F meeting.

8.  Validation Working Group update.  Tim said the WG was working on IP address 
validation methods under BR 3.2.2.5.  The approach will likely be to accept the 
methods that CAs are doing today and amend them as necessary, then eliminate 
the “any other method” subsection for IP address validation.  He discussed the 
all-day VWG meeting scheduled for March 6 at the F2F meeting, to which multiple 
Interested Parties have been invited to participate.  He, Wayne, and Gerv have 
been working on logistics, including an agenda and WG code of conduct, and will 
discuss on the March 1 VWG call.  He has put out a call for volunteers to guide 
the discussion for each of the 10 validation methods under BR 3.2.2.4 to look 
for strengths and weaknesses – how the methods are actually implemented, how 
CAs comply with requirements for each method, etc.  Members and Interested 
Parties can participate in person or by phone.

Wayne noted that Interested Parties had been specially invited to the meeting 
and the prior call, and five had volunteered so far – the purpose is to try to 
bring in additional expertise when examining each method.

9.  Membership application of Dark Matter CA to join as a CABF Member.  The 
Members discussed the membership application of Dark Matter CA, and decided 
they did not have enough information in the application to decide if Dark 
Matter qualified for Membership or Associate Membership.  Kirk will request 
more information.


10.  Ballot Status - Discussion of ballots (See Ballot Status table at end of 
Agenda).  There was no discussion.

11. Possible Topics for March F2F Meeting.  The Members discussed topics and 
agenda timing for the three days of meetings at the upcoming F2F meeting on 
March 6-8, 2018 hosted by Amazon at its offices in Herndon, VA.

12.  Any Other Business.  There was no other business.

14.  Next call: February 22, 2018 at 11:00 am Eastern Time

15.  Adjourn

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