I argued that position, but didn't win.  We could also handle things like this 
via 
unanimous consent, but unfortunately several people are against that, too.

So we go to ballot with the process we have ...

-Tim

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Public <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Virginia Fournier
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> Subject: [cabfpub] Ballot FORUM-1: Establish Forum Infrastructure Working
> Group
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> Fixing an obvious typo really shouldn’t require restarting the process.
> However, I realize that we were never able to agree on the definition of a
> “typo.”  😩
> 
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> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 17:21:59 +0000
> From: Tim Hollebeek <[email protected]>
> To: "Jos Purvis (jopurvis)" <[email protected]>, CA/Browser Forum
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> Jos, as a procedural note, if you want to change the ballot, you have to post 
> an
> updated version and restart the discussion period.  You can?t make changes
> before voting.
> 
> 
> 
> I?d suggest doing that ASAP to avoid further delays.
> 
> 
> 
> -Tim
> 
> 
> 
> From: Public <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jos Purvis
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> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 9:05 AM
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> Working Group
> 
> 
> 
> Whoops! Apologies for not picking that up. Yes, it?s a typo. Final language 
> will
> read:
> 
> *     The FIWG will not create Final Guidelines or Final Maintenance
> Guidelines as defined in the Bylaws and IPR Policy.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> From: "[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> " <[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]> >
> Date: Friday, 10 August, 2018 at 10:28
> To: "Jos Purvis (jopurvis)" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
> >, CA/B Forum Public List <[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]> >, Ryan Sleevi <[email protected]
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> 
> I would also assume it's a typo. Jos will have to confirm.
> 
> Dimitris.
> 
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> Working Group
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> 
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> On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 1:46 PM Ryan Sleevi <[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:
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> On Mon, Aug 6, 2018 at 10:30 AM Jos Purvis (jopurvis) via Public
> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:
> 
> Final version of the ballot (with fixed dates) is below; discussion period 
> starts
> today!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> Ballot FORUM-1: Establish Forum Infrastructure Working Group
> 
> 
> 
> Purpose of Ballot
> 
> The CA/Browser Forum has grown considerably over the last few years and is
> now dividing its work into multiple working groups to more carefully address
> specific certificate needs. The responsibilities of managing the various
> components of infrastructure necessary for the Forum to conduct its work,
> such as the wiki and mailing lists, has grown considerably. With immense
> gratitude to each of the Forum members that have helped to provide this
> infrastructure, the work of managing it should no longer be left as a 
> volunteer
> best-effort function of any single Forum member. This ballot would establish a
> working group chartered to help ensure the infrastructure supporting the
> Forum continues to meet its needs.
> 
> 
> 
> The following motion has been proposed by Jos Purvis of Cisco and endorsed
> by Tim Hollebeek of Digicert and Wayne Thayer of Mozilla.
> 
> 
> 
> ? MOTION BEGINS ?
> 
> 
> 
> Establish Forum Infrastructure Working Group
> 
> 
> 
> Upon approval of the CAB Forum by ballot in accordance with Section 5.3 of
> the Bylaws, the Forum Infrastructure Working Group (?FIWG?) is created to
> perform the activities as specified in this Charter, subject to the terms and
> conditions of the CA/Browser Forum Bylaws and Intellectual Property Rights
> (IPR) Policy, as such documents may change from time to time. The definitions
> found in the Forum?s Bylaws shall apply to capitalized terms in this Charter.
> 
> 
> 
> Scope
> 
> The authorized scope of the Forum Infrastructure Working Group shall be as
> follows:
> 
> 1.    To oversee the acquisition, operation, and maintenance of the
> common CA/Browser Forum website and wiki resources;
> 2.    To coordinate updates to public and Forum-facing web and wiki
> content in support of the Forum Webmaster role established in the Bylaws;
> 3.    To create and manage the division of access and content spaces
> required to help ensure the separation of the work of various Working Groups
> and accompanying commitments, as described in the Forum?s IPR Policy;
> 4.    To manage the Forum-level email lists and to offer management of
> working-group and subcommittee mailing lists as needed in support of the
> Forum List Manager role established in the Bylaws;
> 5.    To perform other activities ancillary to the primary activities listed
> above.
> 
> 
> 
> Out of Scope
> 
> The following items are considered out of scope for the Working Group under
> this charter:
> 
> *     The FIWG will not address coordination of Forum or Working Group
> face-to-face meetings.
> *     The FIWG will not create Maintenance Guidelines or Final
> Maintenance Guidelines as defined in the Bylaws and IPR Policy.
> 
> 
> 
> Jos,
> 
> 
> 
> Is this a typo here? I believe it's meant to be "Final Guideline or Final
> Maintenance Guideline" as defined by the Bylaws and IPR policy - is that
> correct?
> 
> 
> 
> Checking in here, just to make sure we've got it cleared up before voting :)
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