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Date: Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 11:06 AM
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Subject: [cabfpub] Final Minutes for CA/Browser Forum Teleconference - October 
31, 2019


These are the final Minutes of the Teleconference described in the subject of 
this message.
Attendees (in alphabetical order)
Bruce Morton (Entrust Datacard), Chris Kemmerer (SSL.com), Daniela Hood 
(GoDaddy), Dean Coclin (Digicert), Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA), Doug 
Beattie (GlobalSign), Dustin Hollenback (Microsoft), Enrico Entschew (D-TRUST), 
Inaba Atsushi (GlobalSign), Janet Hines (SecureTrust), Joanna Fox (GoDaddy), 
Kenneth Myers (US Federal PKI Management Authority), Kirk Hall (Entrust 
Datacard), Li-Chun Chen (Chunghwa Telecom), Mike Reilly (Microsoft), Neil 
Dunbar (TrustCor Systems), Niko Carpenter (SecureTrust), Peter Miskovic 
(Disig), Rich Smith (Sectigo), Robin Alden (Sectigo), Ryan Sleevi (Google), 
Scott Rea (Dark Matter), Tim Hollebeek (Digicert), Trevoli Ponds-White 
(Amazon), Wayne Thayer (Mozilla), Wendy Brown (US Federal PKI Management 
Authority), Xiu Lei (GDCA).
Minutes
1. Roll Call
The Chair took attendance.
2. Read Antitrust Statement
The Antitrust Statement was read.
3. Review Agenda
No changes to the agenda.
4. Approval of minutes from previous teleconference
The minutes from the previous teleconference were approved and will be 
circulated to the public list.
5. Forum Infrastructure Subcommittee update
The subcommittee has to choose between two dates for meetings and it is more 
likely to follow the previous meeting schedule. Discussions related to the 
markdown fix ballot should move to the server certificate WG public list.
6. Code Signing Working Group update
Bruce gave the update and mentioned that they had a short meeting discussing 
about the ballot to change the date for SHA1 prohibition. The WG also discussed 
about creating a CA survey in an attempt to set the baseline on where CAs stand 
for code signing changes to the current requirements. They also discussed about 
topics for discussion at the F2F. The minutes of the last meeting have not been 
drafted yet.
7. Follow-up on new S/MIME WG Charter
Tim mentioned that there is no progress on that topic. Ryan noted that there is 
an agenda slot assigned to this topic and that we had a path forward where the 
identity issues would be out of scope and the last thing missing is for someone 
to finalize that charter.

Mike mentioned that he will introduce a new Microsoft representative that will 
help work on S/MIME and may assist in this process.

Dimitris recalled that there were two approaches discussed in the past about 
the charter, one was to completely exclude identity from the charter and 
another one where identity is included in the charter but prioritized 
accordingly so that the email validation is completed first and then the 
identity.

Ryan responded that this was discussed at the last F2F and he recalls having 
consensus moving forward without identity in the charter.

Dean recalled that there were recommendations and not final decisions about how 
to proceed with this issue.

In any case, in order to proceed we need a draft charter to be brought for 
discussion.
8. Finalize F2F 48 Agenda
The F2F agenda was approved
9. Any Other Business
Dean contacted OATI that will host in Minnesota. They are checking internally 
for possible dates. Dean will create a doodle poll after China once he has some 
candidate dates.

Dimitris informed that Asseco-Certum sent the recommended days for May 2021. 
Tim, Ryan and others mentioned that some international conferences have not yet 
published dates for 2021 and we don't know if there will be any conflicts. Ryan 
reminded one of the previous recommendations which was to create a wiki page 
and include the names and dates of important industry conferences so we can try 
not to overlap with F2F meetings. IETF, RSA meetings, TSP or CA Days were 
mentioned as industry-important meetings that should not conflict with F2F 
meetings.

Doug also mentioned about the meeting in Tokio hosted by GlobalSign that they 
are having difficulties hosting in October and recommended the first week of 
September. Some members responded that this might be too soon because OATI will 
host in June and the months of July-August are a bit slow in Forum activity. 
Doug said Globalsign would discuss internally and get back with more 
information.
10. Next call
November 14, 2019 at 11:00 am Eastern Time.
Adjourned
F2F Meeting Schedule:

  *   2019: November 5-7– Guangzhou (GDCA)
  *   2020: Feb 18-20 Bratislava (Disig), June – Minneapolis (OATI), October – 
Tokyo (GlobalSign)
  *   2021: Feb-March Dubai (DarkMatter), May-June Poland (Asseco-Certum), 
October [Open]
  *   2022: Mar-April New Delhi / Bengaluru (e-Mudhra), June - [Open], October 
[Open]
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