Hi, group!

Regarding the retroactivity of copyright changes, I would assume it unless
otherwise mentioned.

In the countries that didn't have Freedom of Panorama and only introduced
it on the basis of the InfoSoc Directive after 2001 I am not aware of
anyone, anywhere claiming that older buildings were not covered.

Best,
Dimi

2016-06-11 19:09 GMT+02:00 Robin Pepermans <[email protected]>:

> Just FYI - the bill is already on the agenda of next week's plenary
> session (Thursday 16 June), so best case scenario is that the parliament
> approves it that day. The opposition will likely again propose amendements,
> and might again call for a second reading (if 1/3 of the chamber's members
> request this).
>
> Regards,
> SPQRobin
>
> 2016-06-11 16:18 GMT+02:00 L.Gelauff <[email protected]>:
>
>> Awesome, thanks for the update. Thinking ahead - if this would be
>> accepted as a change, how would that work with retroactivity? If it becomes
>> active, I assume it will be valid for all new communications and
>> reproductions, so we don't need to make a new photo to use this article,
>> right? Which means practically speaking that we could undelete a lot of
>> Belgian images the day it enters into force, which might be a nice PR thing
>> - turning the pictures live on Wikipedia almost immediately. Is something
>> like this being planned?
>>
>> Is there expected to be a tricky situation for a set of works because the
>> change speaks of 'and as long as the reproduction does not infringe upon
>> the normal exploitation of the work' (freely translated)? Is it covered
>> what is meant by 'normal exploitation'? Given that the architects have
>> received so much for some of the buildings, might they claim that this is
>> normal exploitation now? Having this clarified in parliamentary proceedings
>> by the proposers, by stating clearly that charging for a photo is not
>> normal exploitation, would probably resolve this, if that didn't happen
>> already.
>>
>> Best,
>> Lodewijk
>>
>> 2016-06-11 15:52 GMT+02:00 Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov <
>> [email protected]>:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> The text on Freedom of Panorama in Belgium that was adopted in committee
>>> two weeks ago is finally available online (FR & NL). [1] There were only
>>> minor, technical changes as compared to the version adopted in the first
>>> reading. Notably, "reproduction" was replaced by "reproduction or
>>> communication" in two places, which is very useful in regard to the EU's
>>> legal framework.
>>>
>>> The Socialists and the French speaking Christian-Democrats proposed
>>> again to limit the exception to non-commercial uses only, which was
>>> rejected by 10-5 with one abstention. The same opposition then proposed a
>>> second amendment, asking for at least compulsory attribution when the
>>> images are being used commercially. This was again rejected 10-5 with one
>>> abstention. [2]
>>>
>>> The entire text was adopted with an identical voting behaviour of 10-5
>>> with one abstention. The majority is made up of Flemish Nationalists,
>>> Flemish Christian-Democrats and the Liberals from both language groups.
>>> This is also the governing coalition of Belgium. The Greens, who normally
>>> side with the Socialists in Belgian federal politics, abstained instead of
>>> siding with the opposition which they are part of. As part of the debate
>>> the Socialists kept bringing up the example of France, while the Liberals
>>> and Flemish Nationalists replied, that they intentionally chose to model
>>> the legislation after the Dutch and UK examples.
>>>
>>> The next step is a plenary vote that should happen rather soon (in
>>> several weeks, depending on the workload). We have a stable majority, but
>>> might still try to split the Socialists by asking parts of the group to at
>>> least abstain (voting for government coalition proposals is not really a
>>> political option for them at this point). After that the King has to
>>> confirm the bill by signing it before it is published in the State Gazette.
>>> 10 days after publication the text become legally binding in Belgium.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Dimi
>>>
>>> [1]http://www.lachambre.be/FLWB/PDF/54/1484/54K1484009.pdf
>>> [2]http://www.lachambre.be/FLWB/PDF/54/1484/54K1484008.pdf
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