I haven't adequately articulated the stress on the demo organizer (me) that
live demos have. In 100% of cases when something goes wrong it's due to
something beyond my control, but moments before we go live I am asked for
support on a problem I can't solve. Meanwhile I have to do many things just
before we go live. This is unnecessarily stressful every time; I'm not able
to facilitate it anymore. This is in addition to the feedback that the
presenters who can't present are just as frustrated as me.

The question about why we would still have periodic time/place demos when
everything is pre-recorded is a good one. I'm open to that. When we are
releasing regularly, maybe it could be just as awesome to have a beta/rc/ga
release post/announcements come with links or embedded views to any
available demos. It would be kind of like what PyCharm does (
https://www.jetbrains.com/pycharm/whatsnew/) only instead of still images
they would be videos. For now I plan to still host an event with
pre-recorded demos at least to until there is broad support for a change
like this.

Suggestions and discussion are welcome.


On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 1:20 PM, Ina Panova <ipan...@redhat.com> wrote:

> I just personally find the demo recording more time consuming, that's why
> demoing live besides other benefits(like live interactions, stop and check
> in with the watchers if the are on the same page or having questions in the
> middle) are more beneficial for my personal practice.
> Not sure if other people share same sentiment?
>
> I want to believe that in opensourse world we are capable to provide more
> that one option not to discourage people by strict rules and poor choice.
>
> Also, If we do not present live and play just the recordings then i think
> the value of so-called-live-demo drops drastically or maybe no need to host
> live demo at all?
>
> Why don't we just post the list of recorded videos on the pulp lists then,
> suggest to watch them later? :)
>
>
> --------
> Regards,
>
> Ina Panova
> Software Engineer| Pulp| Red Hat Inc.
>
> "Do not go where the path may lead,
>  go instead where there is no path and leave a trail."
>
> On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 4:59 PM, Austin Macdonald <amacd...@redhat.com>
> wrote:
>
>> +0 to videos.
>>
>> If we do that, lets not post a single "pulp demo" but lets post each demo
>> separately.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 10:51 AM, Brian Bouterse <bbout...@redhat.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I want to try videos only for a while. We've had 3 demos in a row where
>>> seconds before we start, a "live demo" has to be withdrawn. Usually the
>>> problem isn't content related; usually it's Wayland, it's YouTube errors,
>>> it's being late, etc. It's causing us to regularly have an agenda that
>>> deviates from what was advertised.
>>>
>>> I want to call out an opportunity for someone to present live in other
>>> ways. Anyone can host a Pulp live event on the Pulp YouTube channel and
>>> present live there. That is especially good for presentations. If you have
>>> something you want to live present via the YouTube channel, reach out to me
>>> and we can get it scheduled.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 8:45 AM, Ina Panova <ipan...@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would keep this as a suggestion but not a hard requirement.
>>>> Some people would still like to train their live demoing skills :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --------
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Ina Panova
>>>> Software Engineer| Pulp| Red Hat Inc.
>>>>
>>>> "Do not go where the path may lead,
>>>>  go instead where there is no path and leave a trail."
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 8:36 PM, Brian Bouterse <bbout...@redhat.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> After some off-list feedback from several presenters, our Community
>>>>> Demos are going to start using pre-recorded videos only. We have had a
>>>>> variety of issues recently with live demos preventing several demos from
>>>>> happening day-of. This change will start with our next demo on April 25th.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've updated the presenter documentation here to match:
>>>>> https://pulp.plan.io/projects/pulp/wiki/Demo_Presenter_Notes
>>>>>
>>>>> Any feedback is welcome.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Brian
>>>>>
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