John,

On 07/13/2012 06:38 PM, jcbollinger wrote:
> 
>     I would tell hiera to have puppet include the mysql development class,
>     not each single user and group. That would strike me as silly.
> 
> 
> Sure, but I'm not seeing how that relates.  A more parallel situation
> would be if in addition, some unrelated class wanted to be able to
> determine which users and groups the mysql development class had
> declared.  As Puppet now stands, the best way would be for the mysql
> development class to provide that data in class variables, or else to
> have obtained it from some shared source in the first place.  The point
> is that neither of those options requires that data to be duplicated in
> the structure of the class.

I'm not sure I concur with your conclusion, nor with what you boil the
problem at hand down to.

Puppet *does* have means to implement business logic that adds resources
as implications of roles or aspects, and that is by the singleton nature
of classes. You can add users via implication of different possible
aspects of nodes by having the "aspect" class include the approprate
user class(es) for example.

Puppet even allows to make adjustments to such implied resources by
means of subclasses. If a node has a very certain role, the respective
class will include a subclass of some other feature to specialize its
resources appropriately.

All this is according to what puppet has so far been designed to do.

The problem at hand can be handled to a degree with these language
features, as the OP has successfully done already. The approach has
scaling issues, so a workaround is currently needed. I don't see why the
approach should be discarded as "not currently implemented" out of hand,
seeing as the better part of it *is* in fact possible.

Felix

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