Hey Grant, Bit late on this and I'm not sure if it will help but here's my recent experience:
I stage managed the EA venue during ICMC2011 and was hugely impressed with the ambisonics pieces that we had (Natasha Barrett's in particular). It did involve the composers getting distance and radii measurements of the space and the speaker config (38 speakers in approx 8 groups) but like I said the outcomes were impressive. Now I think this has much to do with the way the pieces were composed and the pannings arranged as well, though speaking purely as a 'punter' I liked it. Not sure in which program you have put your tunes together with but I know pd, for example, has lots of various order ambisonic stuff and I presume Ardour would do as well. As a side note I got into asking the various composers who performed their pieces "what do you call this kind of presentation", which for me is interesting because I think of it as playing the mixing desk as a performance instrument/interface/whatever. The best answer came from Annette Vande Gorne http://www.electrocd.com/en/bio/vandegorne_an/ who kicked the shit out of the desk, super impressive performance, and by this point I was calling it diffusion, as that was the most popular answer but she said she hated that term as diffusion is too weak and insipid for her. She said that she was an 'interpreter of space'. Yeah. Anyway, I would be wary of getting into interpreting space without some previous experience. Whether this means getting a rig together and just practising a lot, maybe.* I also noticed that the hardcore amongst them would just have a stereo mixdown and would show some serious skills by throwing the mix around the room. A lot of the composers would have an 8 channel version and could just route the tracks to the various groups and ride the faders - which would be my preferred option I think. In the soundchecks for each piece we managed to set up the desk and save it as a preset so that each composer had the faders routed and roughly balanced to their preference so that they could get stuck in. We also made sure that everyone had enough time to have several run-throughs to get a feel for it beforehand. As the old mantra goes in these cicumstances - 'if you don't ask you don't get'. So if you get a piece in make sure you get the time you need. *Here in Huddersfield we have a wonderful rig -the HISS(Hudd Immersive Sound System) which spends probably 90% of the time in various cupboards or in pieces scattered across the University because we don't have the available space for it to reside somewhere permanently. Such a shame as I'm sure loads of people would get a lot out of it if they could get their hands on it (me included). All good wishes, Julian On 28 November 2011 01:21, Bobby Whelan <bo...@soundingbody.co.uk> wrote: > Hello Grant, > > I diffused one of my pieces at the 2007-ish one in Cologne, I would > reccomend contacting the person organising the audio equipment side of > things at the venue. Obviously they will select your piece or not from > listening in stereo - so you need a stereo mix, but once they accept it you > can start preparing it for their system > > - for example if they have a multichannel DAC (they probably do if they > have 16 or 22 channels), or if you could take one along and take your piece > either as a multitrack project on a laptop, or as a memory stick of stereo > stems, then you could fire them out of the individual channels of the DAC, > pre-panned in stereo pairs, and then adjust the levels of each pair being > sent to individuals/pairs/groups of speakers in order to move individual > sound-objects around the room within the piece. This obviously depends > heavily on how their system and crucially the mixer is set up because that > will be your instrument to play. So if you get lots of info in advance of > the performance you could work out a great setup. > This way you are effectively mixing for stereo whilst making the piece, > then putting it into 3d in performance, and by doing this live you can > better judge the effects of > what you are doing. its quite easy really and fun. The best tip I found > was to stick the main mix in stereo in the front pair of speakers in front > of the audience and leave it their, for weight. Then augment it with the > other speakers. That way if things do go wrong at least the piece is still > there. > > I wouldnt bother with ambisonics in that situation as you have no way of > mixing the piece knowing what it will eventually sound like in the room, so > you would end up going in quite unprepared. > > ramble,ramble,rant,ramble.....**..... > Bobby. > > > grant centauri wrote: > >> hi everyone. >> >> i'm seriously considering submission of some audio pieces i've been >> working on, but after looking at the submission form I am intrigued by >> the possibility of using the spatialization setup they have available. >> however, i know almost nothing about it or how i would go about >> preparing my pieces for playback on a system like that. >> >> my work is all done with puredyne, and i thought perhaps someone on >> this list would have some suggestions for a setup that can take >> advantage of a multi-speaker setup. It sounds like one system has 16 >> speakers and the other has 22. There is direct diffusion as well as >> "3rd order Ambisonics"... which i know nothing about. Any insights? >> Most of what i've got so far is just stereo, but i've been reading >> about different spatial effects that can be realized with multiple >> speakers, and when am i going to have another chance to play with a >> system like this? >> >> any advice would be great! thanks list. hope everyone is well. >> >> -grant >> >> On 10/20/11, Bruno Ruviaro <ruvi...@stanford.edu> wrote: >> >> >>> LAC 2012: the Linux Audio Conference - Call for Participation >>> April 12-15, 2012 @ CCRMA, Stanford University >>> >>> http://lac.linuxaudio.org/**2012/ <http://lac.linuxaudio.org/2012/> >>> >>> [Apologies for cross-postings] [Please distribute] >>> >>> Online submission of papers, music, installations and workshops is now >>> open! On the website you will find up-to-date instructions, as well as >>> important information about deadlines, travel, lodging, and so on. 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