Sorry to hear the project is dying! Though I saw that coming, I must say. A sensible decision.
I would certainly be interested in another mailing list, so count my vote in on that one! Thanks for the fun! Milo Mordaunt On 9 February 2012 12:00, <[email protected]> wrote: > Send Puredyne mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.goto10.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/puredyne > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Puredyne digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. A new beginning, thanks again (Jean-No?l Montagn?) > 2. A New Install (Julian Brooks) > 3. Re: A New Install (Geofroy Tremblay) > 4. Re: announcement from the Puredyne developers > (Manjunan Gnanaratnam) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 13:20:26 +0100 > From: Jean-No?l Montagn? <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: [puredyne] A new beginning, thanks again > Message-ID: <p06240803cb5812d4d49d@[10.19.1.106]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > > > I would like first to thank all the team for the developpement during > this years, and also for the documentation which is a very important > part for non-developpers like me. > > As an occasional interactive arts workshop organiser, in France or in > Africa, for visual & multimedia artist, in social centers, I dream of > a liveCD, DVD or USBkey, with PD Extended, arduino and processing > working "out of the box " with minimal configuration. And please, in > your choices, don't forget that many people in this planet have older > computers than ours, less cpu and less ram, and difficult web > access... > > cheers, > JN > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 16:35:22 +0000 > From: Julian Brooks <[email protected]> > To: puredyne <[email protected]> > Subject: [puredyne] A New Install > Message-ID: > <cagembfr7vr9ungoq-fs70wrqeabkqx08r+2akojur7+meh-...@mail.gmail.com > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > "Just some ideas for different future ways to share > common aims and efforts...." > > Yes indeed, which is precisely what we could do with atm. > > And as dope as that looks, tbh my immediate thoughts are with having a > fresh install. Though I'm sure there must be more of us who have been > running Puredyne as our main install and are unsure where to go next, I'm > also presuming that there are others who are also thinking that any other > ready made OS will seem like a step backwards from what we've had already. > If I'd wanted to have a different distro I would have shifted to that > already! > > So the general vibe is with building on debian: which one and how basic can > we get to have that custom feel yet contains enough 'stuff' to get going? > > Obviously going to need a realtime kernel. Are there really decent > benefits from rolling your own to fit your own machine? And again if so - > how? > > Personally I would be well chuffed to have a lappy where pretty much > everything is compiled and tweeked for my machine. Not sure how big the > performance gains would be but personal satisfaction-wise it would be > sizeable. > > And then to be able to clone that as a system restore whilst having learnt > how to make custom live-iso's for whatever reason (family, friends, > community, work, etc.) would be a really useful skill to share. > > Onwards eh, > > Julian > > > > > On 7 February 2012 23:47, Andy Farnell <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > This side of Debian has always impressed me > > > > http://live-build.debian.net/cgi-bin/live-build > > > > Rather than a project that attempts to create and maintain > > a one-size-fits-all "distribution" I believe the future > > for software that supports groups like this is that > > they become a "knowledge base" with a pick-and-mix > > set of frequently desired features or configurations > > that can move forward independently of the host base > > system. This is different from the downstream model > > with backporting etc, in that it abandons the attempt to > > preserve a definitive version. For 64Studio, Daniel James > > and Free Ekanayaka adopted a powerful model based around > > PDK (shares some ideas with builders like Broth) > > with a concept of different blendable "channels". > > > > Another advantage is that the base Debian doesnt have > > to be downloaded every time and doesnt need to be hosted > > by the team, its just a channel (package repo and rules for > > blending). Going back to the root of Debian frees the project > > from policies and decisions downstream at Ubuntu. > > > > Just some ideas for different future ways to share > > common aims and efforts.... > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Feb 07, 2012 at 06:28:11PM -0500, Dave Britton wrote: > > > I've recently been struggling with carrot and coriander's limited > > > life support from being karmic-based, so a long-term support > > > distribution would be fine with me, I'd vote for Debian or Ubuntu > > > just because I know it more and like the packaging system. The most > > > important aspect of puredyne for me is the real-time kernel > > > implementation, so I may have to just learn how to roll a linux > > > distro myself to get the latest RT. I'm working in Supercollider, > > > not pd, and I need jack and alsa to work well. I'd be happy to learn > > > more about broth, and the intricacies of packaging in general, and > > > help where I can. > > > > > > I also want to go on record thanking Aymeric and the rest of the > > > team for bringing a great concept to reality and supporting its > > > development for as long and well as you have. puredyne has helped me > > > a lot! > > > -Dave > > > > > > On 02/07/2012 09:07 PM, Julian Brooks wrote: > > > >>>Erm, now what? > > > >>> > > > >>>What is the general consensus of where to go next... > > > >>> > > > >>>I'm guessing that people are thinking of building on top of a > minimal > > > >>>debian type thing? > > > >>+1 for Debian :) > > > > > > --- > > > [email protected] > > > http://identi.ca/group/puredyne > > > irc://irc.goto10.org/puredyne > > --- > > [email protected] > > http://identi.ca/group/puredyne > > irc://irc.goto10.org/puredyne > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.goto10.org/pipermail/puredyne/attachments/20120208/181fd35e/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2012 16:40:18 -0500 > From: Geofroy Tremblay <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [puredyne] A New Install > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > For me I just did a fresh debian stable install - still strugling to > install fluxus though. > > on my other mahcine I am using #! (crunchbang) which is quite minimal > and fast! (running mixxx on a eeepc 701!!) > > would love to contribute on a flexible loose distro based on debian and > or a centralized information center for computational art / floss art os > > > > > On 08.02.2012 11:35, Julian Brooks wrote: > > "Just some ideas for different future ways to share > > common aims and efforts...." > > > > Yes indeed, which is precisely what we could do with atm. > > > > And as dope as that looks, tbh my immediate thoughts are with having > > a fresh install.? Though I'm sure there must be more of us who have > > been running Puredyne as our main install and are unsure where to go > > next, I'm also presuming that there are others who are also thinking > > that any other ready made OS will seem like a step backwards from > > what > > we've had already.? If I'd wanted to have a different distro I would > > have shifted to that already! > > > > So the general vibe is with building on debian: which one and how > > basic can we get to have that custom feel yet contains enough 'stuff' > > to get going? > > > > Obviously going to need a realtime kernel.? Are there really decent > > benefits from rolling your own to fit your own machine?? And again if > > so - how? > > > > Personally I would be well chuffed to have a lappy where pretty much > > everything is compiled and tweeked for my machine.? Not sure how big > > the performance gains would be but personal satisfaction-wise it > > would > > be sizeable. > > > > And then to be able to clone that as a system restore whilst having > > learnt how to make custom live-iso's for whatever reason (family, > > friends, community, work, etc.) would be a really useful skill to > > share. > > > > Onwards eh, > > > > Julian > > > > ? > > > > On 7 February 2012 23:47, Andy Farnell wrote: > > > >> This side of Debian has always impressed me > >> > >> http://live-build.debian.net/cgi-bin/live-build [1] > >> > >> Rather than a project that attempts to create and maintain > >> a one-size-fits-all "distribution" I believe the future > >> for software that supports groups like this is that > >> they become a "knowledge base" with a pick-and-mix > >> set of frequently desired features or configurations > >> that can move forward independently of the host base > >> system. This is different from the downstream model > >> with backporting etc, in that it abandons the attempt to > >> preserve a definitive version. For 64Studio, Daniel James > >> and Free Ekanayaka adopted a powerful model based around > >> PDK (shares some ideas with builders like Broth) > >> with a concept of different blendable "channels". > >> > >> Another advantage is that the base Debian doesnt have > >> to be downloaded every time and doesnt need to be hosted > >> by the team, its just a channel (package repo and rules for > >> blending). Going back to the root of Debian frees the project > >> from policies and decisions downstream at Ubuntu. > >> > >> Just some ideas for different future ways to share > >> common aims and efforts.... > >> > >> On Tue, Feb 07, 2012 at 06:28:11PM -0500, Dave Britton wrote: > >> > I've recently been struggling with carrot and coriander's > >> limited > >> > life support from being karmic-based, so a long-term support > >> > distribution would be fine with me, I'd vote for Debian or > >> Ubuntu > >> > just because I know it more and like the packaging system. The > >> most > >> > important aspect of puredyne for me is the real-time kernel > >> > implementation, so I may have to just learn how to roll a linux > >> > distro myself to get the latest RT. I'm working in > >> Supercollider, > >> > not pd, and I need jack and alsa to work well. I'd be happy to > >> learn > >> > more about broth, and the intricacies of packaging in general, > >> and > >> > help where I can. > >> > > >> > I also want to go on record thanking Aymeric and the rest of the > >> > team for bringing a great concept to reality and supporting its > >> > development for as long and well as you have. puredyne has > >> helped me > >> > a lot! > >> > -Dave > >> > > >> > On 02/07/2012 09:07 PM, Julian Brooks wrote: > >> > >>>Erm, now what? > >> > >>> > >> > >>>What is the general consensus of where to go next... > >> > >>> > >> > >>>I'm guessing that people are thinking of building on top of a > >> minimal > >> > >>>debian type thing? > >> > >>+1 for Debian :) > >> > > >> > --- > >> > [email protected] [2] > >> > http://identi.ca/group/puredyne [3] > >> > irc://irc.goto10.org/puredyne [4] > >> --- > >> [email protected] [5] > >> http://identi.ca/group/puredyne [6] > >> irc://irc.goto10.org/puredyne [7] > > > > > > > > Links: > > ------ > > [1] http://live-build.debian.net/cgi-bin/live-build > > [2] mailto:[email protected] > > [3] http://identi.ca/group/puredyne > > [4] http://irc.goto10.org/puredyne > > [5] mailto:[email protected] > > [6] http://identi.ca/group/puredyne > > [7] http://irc.goto10.org/puredyne > > [8] mailto:[email protected] > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2012 16:03:58 -0600 > From: Manjunan Gnanaratnam <[email protected]> > To: puredyne <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [puredyne] announcement from the Puredyne developers > Message-ID: <cb584b4e.bc50%[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Dear Puredyne Developers. > > Just wanted to say thank you very much for a great great product! > I very much appreciate all your hard work that went into Puredyne over the > years. > On many levels, it assisted many in the pilot group of Open Source Dance > to discover their multidisciplinary identities!! > > I am definitely interested in continuing an affiliation through the next > list-serve if one is setup. > > Thank you again! > > Best > > Manju. > _____________________________ > Manjunan Gnanaratnam > Founder > Open Source Dance > [http://www.opensourcedance.org] > [http://www.manjunan.com] > > > > > > > On 2/5/12 1:59 PM, "Dan S" <[email protected]> wrote: > > Dear Puredyne community, > > As you might have noticed, Puredyne's development has somewhat stalled > with our latest release being Carrot and Coriander. While still > working perfectly on most machines, this release is now pretty old. If > you follow the list and IRC regularly you are aware that we have been > working on a new version, Gazpacho, for a little while now, and got as > far as an alpha release. > > This alpha release was our last soup. > > Truth is, some annoying bugs have held us back from releasing a new > stable Puredyne, and we have been struggling to find the time, > motivation and energy to get the job done. As a matter of fact this is > has been delayed so much that at this point, even if we would fix > everything *right now*, this release would already be out of sync with > upstream. You can imagine that porting, updating and patching the same > packages over and over again is certainly frustrating. > > Next to that, Carrot and Coriander is a great relase and it would be a > pity to hack together a new version just for the sake of bumping the > version number. We would like to leave the community with a decent > soup as our final gift rather than something that could be potentially > substandard (OK you're supposed to serve gazpacho cold, but at the > moment it looks more like a garlicky tomato soup than the famous > Andalusian dish). > > Of course, we can talk in details about the technical issues we faced > in the development of Gazpacho, the growing commercialism of Ubuntu > and the general feeling, that grew amongst some of us in the last > years, that we should instead teach people to hack their own artistic > OS and tune it for their practice rather than provide a top-down > designed general purpose multimedia system. > > All these are valid points, yet there is something else to it, > something more profound to this decision. Puredyne has been around for > nearly a decade, it's time to let go of the project. > Nothing lasts forever, everybody moves one, interests shift, people > get jobs, get fired, resume their studies, have children (4 babies > were born in the dev group so far and another one is on the way), etc. > Life, really. > > Now, before closing the list it might be worth to mention two last things. > > First of all, Puredyne was built with a script called broth. It lives > on top of Debian's live tools. With this script it is possible to > build all sorts of Debian or Ubuntu live distros. Every now and then, > some of us have the need, for an installation, a workshop, a birthday > party, to quickly generate an audiovisual oriented live USB/DD/CD/DVD. > Broth is very handy for that, so that's why we will be still using it, > hence possibly developing it further whenever we need it (current > version lives here: https://launchpad.net/broth ). > > The second point concerns the community aspect of Puredyne. While > there is no point in keeping this list running, we want to ask you all > if you would be interested to join a new list to keep on > talking/discussing about the practice of free software related art, > music and design (get help on installing and using distros and free > software for artistic practices, but also a place to announce/present > your projects, look for collaborators, etc). No strings attached, just > an idea, but one that may be useful for users/former users of Puredyne > - based around our initial goal to support FLOSS + art practice for > ourselves and others, where we saw a gap that needed filling. Send a > mail off-list to [email protected]. If we get a few positive > responses we'll make a list and subscribe those who contacted us. > > I think that's it for now. > > Puredyne was a great project, we learned a lot, we had great fun. We > thank you all for supporting us and having been around all these > years. > > :* > --- > [email protected] > http://identi.ca/group/puredyne > irc://irc.goto10.org/puredyne > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Puredyne mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.goto10.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/puredyne > > End of Puredyne Digest, Vol 81, Issue 9 > *************************************** >
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