On 2/7/22 13:42, Tonči Stipičević wrote:
Yes, I'm aware of that too ...

Obviously this's  not been  good-practice and you do not have any recommended 
models/types ?

No, I actually never used any, only looked into them a few times, but never 
found anything that I really liked.

Another thing though that could work, especially with newer boards, are NVMEs 
in m.2 format. The last server boards that I looked into and eventually also 
bought, have m.2 NVME slots.


But they are very "practical" though :)

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On 07. 02. 2022. 13:36, Aaron Lauterer wrote:


On 2/7/22 12:24, Tonči Stipičević wrote:
Thank you Aaron,

this atribut "small" is blocking point ... like you said it is hard to find 
sata disk under 250G

I was also thinking about 2 x sata-dom 32G/64G   for zfs boot ? Does it make 
any sense (performance/relayibilty-wise?

SATA DOMs need to be considered carefully. If they can last long enough, then 
why not. But if they are just cheap SSDs that will wear out fast... well.


Ok , today I'm gonna install PBS on 4x2T (disks, not ssds) zfs raid10 and create 
one new dataset in /rpool  -> /rpool/databck    ...  So , the PBS itself and 
datastore will reside on the same pool ...  Then I'll make some copmarison tests 
(backup/restore)  and report back some relevant results ...  I'd like to avoid PBS 
on its own pool because this SuperMicro 721 case has only 4 disk slots , a 
additional ones (2) have to be connected directly to MB ...


'till then

BR

Tonci

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On 07. 02. 2022. 09:44, Aaron Lauterer wrote:
A PBS datastore is just a directory somewhere.

If you set up the system on a RAID 10 and want to use that as well for the 
datastore, I would create a new ZFS dataset for the datastore. This allows you 
to change certain ZFS properties on that dataset specifically.

There are a few things to consider if you want to have the OS on the same disks 
as the datastore.
How fast are the disks? HDDs or SSDs?
If they are HDDs, then having the OS on separate disks is a good idea because 
HDDs will already be having a hard time to provide the IOPS for decent 
performance. If they are *decent* SSDs, you should be fine.

No idea how easy it is to get stuff in Croatia, but this should give you some ideas: 
https://geizhals.eu/?cat=hdssd&xf=2028_256~4643_Power-Loss+Protection~4832_1~4836_2&sort=r

250 GiB is plenty of the OS, but anything smaller is hard to find or of dubious 
quality ;)

Cheers,
Aaron


On 2/7/22 01:10, Tonči Stipičević wrote:
I'm planning to use SUPERMICRO 721 box (4 x 2T sata) as PBS

So, if I create zfs10 raid as boot drive , I have no more disks left for 
datastore, right ?

BUT, is it possible to make directory on this / boot drive i.e. /mnt/datastore  
 and attach it as datastore ?   Is that a way-to-go and is there any 
disadvantages against separate 2 x 240g ssd as boot and 4 x 2T sata (zfs raid 
10 ) for datastore?

Actually I'ma having hard time finding 2 x 2,5" small  sata drives for boot ....

   Thank you very much in advance

BR

Tonci

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SUMA Informatika d.o.o., Badalićeva 27, OIB 93926415263

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