I have your same problem; backup strategy and software is a priority for a lot 
of vendors; vmware have both backup (with dedup and flexible retention policy) 
and replication; veeam is a great suite and is a must-have for a more complex 
and big cluster. 
I know that proxmox is based on community software, and backup (i mean 
incremental backup) is not simple, but i can't believe that all the users are 
satisfied with vzdump. 
I personaly miss: 
- a retention policy different from "the last" backups; i know that i can write 
script to move and rotate some backups, but simplicity is the winner; if i 
could select in the backup option a "keep last X daily/weekly/monthly/yearly 
backups", all is simpler and error free 
- an incremental backup; this is really the big miss. I have too long backup 
windows, so i can't backup the vm every day. And I can't use backuppc/bacula or 
some other guest-based backup software, when i use proxmox to host vm for 
customers, 
- backup verification (it can be useful) 

Regarding incremental backups, based on dirty blocks, i don't know if this 
feature is usable: http://wiki.qemu.org/Features/IncrementalBackup 
But, even if only with some kind of storage backend, we could make incremental 
backups. Using ceph (that is fully supported by proxmox), is possibile to make 
incremental (or differential) backups, based on snapshots. I have manually 
tested with "rbd --export-diff" on ceph snapshots, and works like a charm. So i 
think that, even if only for ceph storage, it can be developed (zfs solution 
can be similar) 

No one need to have a better backup support ? 

Regards, Fabrizio 

----- Il 17-feb-16, alle 14:19, Gilberto Nunes <[email protected]> ha 
scritto: 

> you know... more than one backup never is too much

> 2016-02-17 10:48 GMT-02:00 Alwin Antreich < [email protected] > :

>> As an idea, if you have a separate disk for your data and you already create
>> backups inside your VM, why not skip the
>> backup of this VM disk? In case of an emergency you may need to restore your
>> backups inside the VM anyway. So it might
>> be faster in the event of a disaster to recreate the disk and restore your
>> backups inside the VM. As you said an email
>> earlier, the backup of the disk takes a long time, so might also the restore.

>> Regards,
>> Alwin

>> On 02/17/2016 01:31 PM, Gilberto Nunes wrote:
>> > Yes Alwin...

>> > I consider to make backup from account as well, in separate method...
>>> I am concern about the VM backup when send this e-mail, 'cause inside the 
>>> VM I
>> > already have accounts backup...

>> > Thanks a lot for your advice....

>>> 2016-02-17 10:25 GMT-02:00 Alwin Antreich < [email protected] 
>>> <mailto:
>> > [email protected] >>:

>> > Hi all,

>> > @Gilberto
>>> please keep in mind, to get consistent backups you need to backup your 
>>> zimbra
>> > database by different means then by only
>> > taking a snapshot.

>> > Regards,
>> > Alwin

>> > On 02/17/2016 01:05 PM, Pongrácz István wrote:

>> > > Consider to use zfs for proxmox and use its snapshot/send/receive 
>> > > methods.

>>> > Taking a snapshot usually less than a second and you can send the 
>>> > incremental
>> > > changes over the network.

>>> > You should check your existing systems and decide, is it worth to change 
>>> > your
>> > > system or not.

>> > > Bye,

>> > > István



>> > > ----------------eredeti üzenet-----------------
>>> > Feladó: "Gilberto Nunes" < [email protected] <mailto:
>> > > [email protected] >>
>>> > Címzett: "PVE User List" < [email protected] <mailto:
>> > > [email protected] >>
>> > > Dátum: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 09:49:08 -0200
>> > > ----------------------------------------------------------


>> > >> Thank you guys... I will study all suggestions and choose the best 
>> > >> one...
>> > >> Thanks a lot





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