On 31/08/05, Daniel Henninger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What clients are you aware of that support it?  Psi w/patches is what I'm
> using.  I recall someone saying Tkabber.  Anything else?  Also anyone
> aware of clients that are implementing it "in their next release" or
> "soon"?
The only one for certain, would be the Psi-Rc that I got working. 
More clients will come with support, as more transports offer the
functionality.  It's way to chicken/egg for my liking, so I'm trying
to offset the balance, and 'force'? client developers into
implementing this functionality.

> Simple username/password Basic auth interface.  Does not tie into anything
> on the jabber side of the world.  Ideally it should be SSL'd, but I
> haven't gotten around to investigating that.  If I figure that out, I'm
> likely to forfeit non-SSL.
ssl = good, helps stop the plaintext sniffing that basic is open to.

> Time I'd rather spend on new features or bug fixes.  ;)
100% agreeed here.

> nevow, I doubt, wants to add a potential requirement to have
> Twisted Words installed.  
agreed, it would be silly

> Anyway, keep in mind that I haven't even touched adding the commands to
> the web interface yet.  I may get to a point where I decide my only
> feasible option is to abtract it.  But my focus here is to get some of the
> commands to be accessible in the web interface, not invent some new
> behind-the-scenes mechanisms.
mmm, as it stands, only really the admin single stage commands are a
viable option for the web interface, that's fine.

> > I guess the xmpp framework is authorised by the jid and the fact that
> > you trust the server, on the http side you could check that supplied
> > legacy account name or jid, and password match the registered values.
> > (although this means you have to have registered with a legacy account
> > to admin the service too, unless you already have admin password
> > functionality)
> 
> But that still means I have to log the user in via the web interface,
> something I'm not aiming to do.  If I do that, the next thing I'm going to
> hear is "why don't you implement a chat engine from the web interface" and
> at that point, what's the point of involving Jabber at all?  I don't
> really want to get into the business of slowly implementing a web based
> AIM/ICQ client so I'm going to stick with non-user-centric things in the
> web interface.
agreed, leave this to someone else.

> In fact, instead of having PyAIM do all of this, I'd rather see a good web
> based Jabber client written separately that can do ad-hoc commands and
> such.  Then a user could simply log in via that, normal Jabber session,
> and do what they want.  The commands I'm putting in the web interface are
> meant for the server admin(s) only.
I'll be treating any web interface as a temporary solution for those
cretins who don't have a client that supports AdHoc yet :-P
i.e. please make sure that whatever you can do in the web interface,
can be done via AdHoc, which i'm sure you were going to do anyways.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Magnus Henoch)
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Subject: [py-transports] PyAIM/ICQ musings
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"Daniel Henninger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> What clients are you aware of that support it?  Psi w/patches is what I'm
> using.  I recall someone saying Tkabber.  Anything else?  Also anyone
> aware of clients that are implementing it "in their next release" or
> "soon"?

jabber.el supports it as well.

Magnus
From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Wed Aug 31 16:55:19 2005
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Date: Wed Aug 31 16:55:22 2005
Subject: [py-transports] PyAIM/ICQ musings
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Op woensdag 31 augustus 2005 16:20, schreef Daniel Henninger:
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> > Yea, AdHoc is pretty cool.  There are pretty much no limits.
>
> What clients are you aware of that support it?  Psi w/patches is what I'm
> using.  I recall someone saying Tkabber.  Anything else?  Also anyone
> aware of clients that are implementing it "in their next release" or
> "soon"?

I requested it for Coccinella: 
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1224746&group_id=68334&atid=520863

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> In fact, instead of having PyAIM do all of this, I'd rather see a good web
> based Jabber client written separately that can do ad-hoc commands and
> such.  Then a user could simply log in via that, normal Jabber session,
> and do what they want.  The commands I'm putting in the web interface are
> meant for the server admin(s) only.

I requested this already for JWChat:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1226140&group_id=92011&atid=599215

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From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Wed Aug 31 17:24:40 2005
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Daniel Henninger)
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=D  Yay!! and Yay!!

Daniel

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> Op woensdag 31 augustus 2005 16:20, schreef Daniel Henninger:
> <snip>
>> > Yea, AdHoc is pretty cool.  There are pretty much no limits.
>>
>> What clients are you aware of that support it?  Psi w/patches is what
>> I'm
>> using.  I recall someone saying Tkabber.  Anything else?  Also anyone
>> aware of clients that are implementing it "in their next release" or
>> "soon"?
>
> I requested it for Coccinella:
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1224746&group_id=68334&atid=520863
>
> <snip>
>
>> In fact, instead of having PyAIM do all of this, I'd rather see a good
>> web
>> based Jabber client written separately that can do ad-hoc commands and
>> such.  Then a user could simply log in via that, normal Jabber session,
>> and do what they want.  The commands I'm putting in the web interface
>> are
>> meant for the server admin(s) only.
>
> I requested this already for JWChat:
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1226140&group_id=92011&atid=599215
>
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