On 10/8/05, James Bunton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This is actually something I really want to avoid. > > I'd like for the user experience to be consistent regardless of what > server they use. > > If you use Psi, you may be interested in the patch that I posted to the > list.
can you describe (or link) to the patch you wrote? Andreas, configurable to misbehave? you can't be serious! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://modevia.com/pipermail/py-transports/attachments/20051009/f4920816/attachment.htm From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sat Oct 8 23:59:54 2005 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andreas van Cranenburgh) Date: Sat Oct 8 23:59:57 2005 Subject: [py-transports] about MSN nicknames In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Sun, Oct 09, 2005 at 01:55:32AM +0300, Nikos Kouremenos wrote: > Andreas, configurable to misbehave? you can't be serious! I am serious, but we simply disagree. That's not really a problem though -- as long as everyone can make his free choice: user: which server's msn transport will I use admin: how will I configure / patch PyMSNt -- Andreas [ http://unstable.nl | xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] [ callto:ils.seconix.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://modevia.com/pipermail/py-transports/attachments/20051009/8ac8cbce/attachment.pgp From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Oct 9 00:07:13 2005 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Norman Rasmussen) Date: Sun Oct 9 00:07:15 2005 Subject: [py-transports] PyMSNt Questions In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cvs is old, june was a long time ago. Were are you getting your psi builds from? You might want to use test2, it's very new. Alternativly use a darcs build, because that's what Psi have swapped to. On 08/10/05, Steve Ramage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > James Bunton wrote: > > > > >> > >> 4) Question, why when my PyMSNt transport signs in on MSN does the > >> avatar not come with it. I do see the avatar when I click on the contact > >> and elsewhere, but normally when other people sign on, I see there > >> avatar when they sign. The only other time I don't see an avatar is when > >> they are using something that doesn't support avatars at all. PyMSNt > >> contacts are the only ones I know that don't have an avatar in the > >> popup. Again just to be clear Avatars are working everywhere else, > >> except for sign in popups. > > > > Which client is this? Its probably a client bug. > > I use there different versions of Psi one is > Psi-0.10-june-cvs > Psi-0.10-test2 > Psi-0.10-june-cvs-sneaken patch > > > The latest one is the one I use the most, on my notebook. > > In terms of MSN its the regular MSN client, MSN 7.0.0816 > > > Thanks, > > Steve R > > _______________________________________________ > py-transports mailing list > py-transports@blathersource.org > http://www.modevia.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/py-transports > -- - Norman Rasmussen - Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Home page: http://norman.rasmussen.co.za/ From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Oct 9 00:09:02 2005 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Norman Rasmussen) Date: Sun Oct 9 00:09:03 2005 Subject: [py-transports] about MSN nicknames In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This matter could easily be fixed by adding the nickname back to the registration form, and making it so that if the user enters a blank string, then the nickname is read from the vcard. That way the _user_ can _choose_ when they register which mode they want. On 09/10/05, Andreas van Cranenburgh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Oct 09, 2005 at 01:55:32AM +0300, Nikos Kouremenos wrote: > > Andreas, configurable to misbehave? you can't be serious! > > I am serious, but we simply disagree. That's not really a problem > though -- as long as everyone can make his free choice: > > user: which server's msn transport will I use > admin: how will I configure / patch PyMSNt > > -- > Andreas [ http://unstable.nl | xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] > [ callto:ils.seconix.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFDSF16AcXr2MrY86MRAvXZAJ9LS8oU02mkHrmNGJ4ethjt6LPG3wCgyiVi > C0Ja2t53XWq4/fnhcb5Up9s= > =Aucl > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > _______________________________________________ > py-transports mailing list > py-transports@blathersource.org > http://www.modevia.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/py-transports > > > -- - Norman Rasmussen - Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Home page: http://norman.rasmussen.co.za/ From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Oct 9 00:30:21 2005 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andreas van Cranenburgh) Date: Sun Oct 9 00:30:24 2005 Subject: [py-transports] about MSN nicknames In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Sun, Oct 09, 2005 at 02:09:02AM +0200, Norman Rasmussen wrote: > This matter could easily be fixed by adding the nickname back to the > registration form, and making it so that if the user enters a blank > string, then the nickname is read from the vcard. That way the _user_ > can _choose_ when they register which mode they want. There is a misunderstanding: I was solely talking about how the nickname of MSN users will be displayed to a Jabber user. Frankly, I couldn't care less how other MSN users see my nickname / personal message -- so I don't have any opinions on this one and PyMSNt should do what it wants. Heck, for all I care it says "this user uses PyMSNt, go use Jabber now you moron". :P -- Andreas [ http://unstable.nl | xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] [ callto:ils.seconix.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://modevia.com/pipermail/py-transports/attachments/20051009/8f49ca89/attachment.pgp From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Oct 9 01:06:24 2005 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Norman Rasmussen) Date: Sun Oct 9 01:06:26 2005 Subject: [py-transports] about MSN nicknames In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sorry I did misread that. Unfortunately I'm not on your side on this one. It's up to jabber clients to make it possible to show the nickname in the roster. This is _not_ up to the transport to decide. If you want to hack anything, hack your jabber client to show both your preferred name for the contact, and the vcard's nickname (or override the name with the nick). Remember you're getting vcard-temp:x:update for free in the presence stanza's from the msn transport, so you don't even have to do a vcard request. On 09/10/05, Andreas van Cranenburgh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Oct 09, 2005 at 02:09:02AM +0200, Norman Rasmussen wrote: > > This matter could easily be fixed by adding the nickname back to the > > registration form, and making it so that if the user enters a blank > > string, then the nickname is read from the vcard. That way the _user_ > > can _choose_ when they register which mode they want. > > There is a misunderstanding: I was solely talking about how the nickname > of MSN users will be displayed to a Jabber user. > > Frankly, I couldn't care less how other MSN users see my nickname / > personal message -- so I don't have any opinions on this one and PyMSNt > should do what it wants. Heck, for all I care it says "this user uses > PyMSNt, go use Jabber now you moron". :P > > -- > Andreas [ http://unstable.nl | xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] > [ callto:ils.seconix.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFDSGSdAcXr2MrY86MRAnKdAJ41eoYEnmghLhQg4Gk5RuIUq8kLHwCcD94i > Du0i5PdRSTjU7UDheKjpwAA= > =EHup > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > -- - Norman Rasmussen - Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Home page: http://norman.rasmussen.co.za/ From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Oct 9 01:19:52 2005 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andreas van Cranenburgh) Date: Sun Oct 9 01:20:00 2005 Subject: [py-transports] about MSN nicknames In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Sun, Oct 09, 2005 at 03:06:24AM +0200, Norman Rasmussen wrote: > If you want to hack anything, hack your jabber client to show both > your preferred name for the contact, and the vcard's nickname (or > override the name with the nick). you say *your* jabber client, but I want *all* jabber clients to work. So it's hacking an x number of clients vs. hacking pymsnt (where x is quite large I believe). > Remember you're getting vcard-temp:x:update for free in the presence > stanza's from the msn transport, so you don't even have to do a vcard > request. I know little about the internals of the XMPP protocol, so forgive this question: aren't Status Message updates sent in the presence stanza for free just as much? -- Andreas [ http://unstable.nl | xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] [ callto:ils.seconix.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://modevia.com/pipermail/py-transports/attachments/20051009/17309d35/attachment-0001.pgp From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Oct 9 01:26:00 2005 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nikos Kouremenos) Date: Sun Oct 9 01:26:05 2005 Subject: [py-transports] about MSN nicknames In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On 10/9/05, Andreas van Cranenburgh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Oct 09, 2005 at 03:06:24AM +0200, Norman Rasmussen wrote: > > If you want to hack anything, hack your jabber client to show both > > your preferred name for the contact, and the vcard's nickname (or > > override the name with the nick). > > you say *your* jabber client, but I want *all* jabber clients to work. > So it's hacking an x number of clients vs. hacking pymsnt (where x is > quite large I believe). ugly hacks is not the way PyMSNt should choose. I wonder what will happen to desired nickname when vcard-temp gets away. Andreas, Norman, can we please start a new thread in JIGs about that? (on how jabber should broadcaste desired nickname outside of vcard-temp which is TEMP?) and leave this ML for strictly py-family? Thanks in advance -- Nikos Kouremenos | Jabber ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://members.hellug.gr/nkour From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Oct 9 01:48:55 2005 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Ramage) Date: Sun Oct 9 01:49:03 2005 Subject: [py-transports] PyMSNt Questions In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Norman Rasmussen wrote: > cvs is old, june was a long time ago. > > Were are you getting your psi builds from? You might want to use > test2, it's very new. Alternativly use a darcs build, because > that's what Psi have swapped to. Ironically I am getting my builds from: http://norman.rasmussen.co.za/dl/psi/ Hmmmmmmm I want MUC support which the latest build is the June CVS build, as per the other CVS build, its running fine and I am really to lazy to bother to install it, since I almost never use it now a days. Steve R
