I just spent some time improving some of the docs, and I must stay, I am 
moderately horrified at the autogenerated rst files. Why not just write 
them by hand like everybody else and use autoclass/:members:? It's not at 
all onerous to keep them up to date.

As someone who writes a LOT of Python docs, largely for fun 
(https://mrjob.readthedocs.io, https://pillow.readthedocs.io, 
http://steveasleep.com/clubsandwich, ...) this honestly makes me hesitant 
to put a lot of effort into contributing, because it's an unusual and 
limiting way to do things.

The epydoc layout of one class per page with a strict structure of 
[inheritance, methods, attributes] is not good for discovery or inline 
narrative documentation. And the intermediate api/*.txt-generating layer is 
both a barrier to contribution, and limits the flexibility of the 
individual pages.

So above and beyond fixing the many, many missing docstrings, my number one 
request (which I would gladly do myself!) is that the API docs be switched 
over a more conventional Sphinx setup.

On Sunday, May 28, 2017 at 11:54:05 PM UTC-7, Benjamin Moran wrote:
>
> Thanks Steve, 
>
> I found the markdown files on your github. They'll probably need a few 
> paragraphs adjusted to fit the rest of the documentation, but it's a good 
> addition and certainly better than what we have now. 
>
> I was also looking through some old conversations on the mailing list, and 
> it looks like we can remove a lot of old epydoc cruft from the codebase.
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 4:27:09 AM UTC+9, Steve Johnson wrote:
>>
>> It's in Markdown. I'm sure something like Pandoc could convert it with 
>> good fidelity. It also has a sample code repo.
>>
>> On Monday, May 15, 2017 at 6:42:59 PM UTC-7, Benjamin Moran wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks for the offer Steve. I think we talked about this in the past but 
>>> didn't follow up. 
>>> It would be a good first step to dump your site into rst, and then edit 
>>> it from there. 
>>> The raw site wouldn't happen to be in rst already, would it? 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, May 13, 2017 at 2:59:39 AM UTC+9, Steve wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I am interested in helping out with this. I've been a pyglet user since 
>>>> 2008 and always thought the docs were pretty bad in comparison to projects 
>>>> of similar size and maturity. My own best documentation work is this: 
>>>> http://mrjob.readthedocs.io/en/latest/
>>>>
>>>> Specifically, the current pyglet docs do not actually document all the 
>>>> APIs! You have to read the source code and see the old epydoc docstrings, 
>>>> or at least this was true as of a few weeks ago. The media.Player class in 
>>>> particular has this problem.
>>>>
>>>> I am the author of this out-of-date tutorial: 
>>>> http://steveasleep.com/pyglettutorial.html
>>>> Now that pyglet is being maintained again, I would love to just 
>>>> contribute the tutorial to the actual docs and redirect my page. And when 
>>>> I 
>>>> get some time, I will help fill out the rest of the pyglet docs. But I can 
>>>> make no promises about when that will be. :-)
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, May 11, 2017 at 10:34:30 PM UTC-7, Benjamin Moran wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi everyone, 
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm looking for ideas for how the pyglet documentation can be 
>>>>> improved, both in terms of missing things or sections that should be 
>>>>> added.
>>>>> I've personally always found the technical aspects of the 
>>>>> documentation to be quite good, but I hear often that the documentation 
>>>>> as 
>>>>> a whole is not so clear for new users.
>>>>> In particular, the "writing a pyglet application" section is perhaps a 
>>>>> bit to light. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Better than suggestions would be if anyone wants to get involved with 
>>>>> writing something new or improving existing sections. Please let me know 
>>>>> if 
>>>>> you're interested in getting involved. Even if you're not comfortable 
>>>>> with 
>>>>> making pull requests, I'd be more than happy to work directly with you to 
>>>>> handle contributions.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Ben
>>>>>
>>>>

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