Well - I have to say - I just joined the list a very short 
time ago, and just contributed a bit here and there to pygtk, but
this email really inspired me to write about point n.3.

My dream would really to be able to see gnome apps using
a PyGTK-thing that worked like VBA - please dont kill me 
just yet, I will try to explain myself.

A thing I really miss in the whole Gnome "experience",
is something like what you can do in Word, Powerpoint, and other
Windows apps that use COM and VB.

Now, I hear you say: "But we can do that! We have bonobo! And
the app developer has to add support for plugins. All you
have to do is use your favorite editor/RAD and write the application".

This is what I think could be improved - If there was some sort
of VBA-like thing using PyGTK, that you can just "attach" to your
application, that would make things so nice.

I believe everything from an infrastructure point of view is already
there:

* Bonobo + the pygtk bonobo bindings
* PyGTK
* gtksourceview
* <insert some GUI builder here>

Well - I know - it is a lot of work to put these things together,
and then a lot of politics to convince people to use it. But I guess,
if I had time to do it, I would try.

One issue I see with the acceptance of this is that (I may be
completely wrong here) some people may see Mono as the "silver bullet"
for this problem. I am not that familiar with Mono to say for sure.

Ah. Feel much better now :)

--- Matthew Bull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I realise I'm quite new to this list but I've been working with PyGTK
> for a while now and would welcome peoples feedback on something. please
> put me straight if I'm treading on toes, or reiterating an old
> discussion.
> 
> There have been several discussions on the list in the last few months
> about trying to get PyGTK into the standard library, and whilst
> attending europython recently I had an opportunity to steer
> conversations in that direction with a lot of people to get a feel for
> the (european at least) communities take on this, most of the people I
> spoke to where non PyGTK folks, and the opinions seemed to be generally
> favourable.
> 
> there where however a few buts...
> 
> 1. Documentation -
> 
> this is something that has been discussed on the list quite a few times
> and actually I think the exsisting free docs are perfectly adequate it
> seemed to mostly come from people who had tried PyGTK "back in the day"
> (when I seem to remember there wasn't a lot of documentation)
> 
> 2. Windows -
> 
> many people seemed surprised that GTK ran on windows at all and others
> had been put of by all the various different ways of doing it, I have
> been reading the [Installation Problems on Win32] thread that seems to
> be raging on so I'll just add my two pence worth from what I've gathered
> so far the python community at large and the maintainers of the standard
> libraries would want a simple "drop it in" installer for the basic gtk
> runtime (a la dropline).
> 
> 3.Idle -
> 
> Actually most people seemed to be oblivious to Idle but I can see it
> would have to be ported to GTK (almost re-written) and this is where I
> come in, I've already been doing some stuff with a simple text editor
> written in python and PyGTK and I have some time available so if no one
> else wants the job I'll take it on, help would be appreciated or if
> someone else wants the job (or has already started it), my help is
> offered.
> 
> So is this something the PyGTK community wants to see happen? I for one
> would love to see PyGTK in the standard distro, (Tk is sooooo long in
> the tooth its untrue) and am willing to put in some work to see it
> happen, so if its already happening put me to work!, if not could we
> make it happen??
> 
> thanks for taking the time to read this
> 
> Matt
> 
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