On 26/12/2010 21:05, Shin Guey Wong wrote:
> This all in one installer is great for developer. However, the installer
> contains lots of development files(header, static library, docs..etc) which
> doesn't need by a user who just want to install pygtk with gtk-runtime to
> run pygtk application.
Ah, but in my opinion developers are the intended audience not only for
the all-in-one installer but also for the per package pyg* installers,
the gtk+ binaries (and bundle), any other python extension installer
ever released as .exe, .msi, .egg or source code and yes, even the
Python installer.
Viewing the Python interpreter windows installer as a development tool
and not something an end user of our applications should ever need to
touch might come as a surprise for many people and has for a long time
been just a "feeling" for me. Until I discovered the following comment
by Mark Hammond [1]:
"My take is still that Python is a tool, not an app. People
writing an app they with to distribute using Python should include
Python in their package (ie, not rely on an installed version) and
these apps should conform with the guidelines."
This comes from http://bugs.python.org/issue1284316, msg104384.
If Python is to be considered a development tool then by definition so
are extension modules (like PyGTK). So now we have discovered why we
have tools like py2exe. Distributing a py2exe'd application is a breeze
(once you get the hang of it) and not only saves end users a lot of
time, it potentially saves you a lot of support calls [2]. Remember,
end users are rarely interested in investing time on the technical side
of things. They just want to use our shiny applications :)
> For now, I will still use this to install on
> development machine. But for deployment, I will recommend user to install
> gtk-runtime from
> http://gtk-win.sourceforge.net/home/index.php/Downloadswhich only
> 7.46MB, then install pygtk/pycairo/pygobject which less than 2MB.
> (10MB vs 32MB which is quite a big different. Honestly, I'm not that concern
> on the installer size but the installing time for gtk with development files
> take much longer. I have user asking me why it takes so long time to install
> the gtk with development file)
Please continue to do whatever is required for your projects, the aio
installer is offered simply as an alternative. I just wanted to clarify
why it has been built the way it is :)
mvg,
Dieter
[1] Yes, the same Mark Hammond that's praised on the last page of
the Python installer: "Special Windows thanks to: Mark Hammond, without
whose years of freely shared Windows expertise, Python for Windows
would still be Python for DOS."
[2] For a start, simply look at the recent rise in problems with
multiple gtk+ runtime versions on the PATH environment variable...
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