On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 4:46 PM, Jeff Kunce <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 10:21 AM, lkcl luke <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Jeff Kunce <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Yeah, I'm top posting. The thread is Promoting Pyjamas - and might as >> > well >> > just end here. >> > >> > There is an open source community - and "community" suggests a group of >> > people have set of principles that they agree to work with in common, at >> > least for purposes of the community. >> > >> > Luke, I admire you for sticking to your principles. But the other kids >> > just >> > aren't going to play with the boy who makes up his own rules and insists >> > that they are the only way the game can be played. >> > >> > You do amazing work, and I'm thankful for that. I'm just sad that you >> > hide >> > this product behind walls of ideological crankiness. >> >> it's not as quotes bad quotes as people make out. and i've decided >> on my principles: i worked hard to come up with them: it would be damn >> stupid of me to abandon them, wouldn't it? >> >> plus, there is another reason that i haven't mentioned explicitly: by >> saying "no, you can't take the easy way out", once the grumbling's >> stopped, there's been more activity sorting out the infrastructure - >> which involves other people actually talking and coordinating and >> writing python and pyjamas apps than there has been in a long time.. >> hasn't there? >> >> and once it's done, i'm sure that the people who did that will feel >> proud to have done it, won't they? it's *their* community, not some >> jack-ass piece of shit that can't be modified. you _did_ see peter's >> request to enable the feature of allowing him to close bugreports? >> because it's a proprietary monetarily-zero-cost service on >> code.google.com that cannot happen, can it? >> >> i have good reasons, jeff - they weren't just made up on the spur of >> the moment "i know i'll decide to make peoples' lives hell". >> >> l. > > > I really do understand, Luke. And I mean it when I say I admire you. > > However, the thread is "Promoting Pyjamas." The first step in doing that > would be to join in the standard (if not best) practices of the community. > > When you give a sexy demo at pycon - people want to go to the site and start > playing with it, even before your talk is finished. If those first steps are > successful, they will join the mailing list to learn more. If they have > more success, they will contribute. Easy access with familiar tools *is* > Promoting Pyjamas. Any barriers you put in the way of that process is *not* > Promoting Pyjamas. > > Truly-free-services, eat-our-own-dogfood-tools, no-www-urls, > independent-nameservers, append-multiple-lkcl-causes-here ... all good > things ... but when those things come first, the adoption of Pyjamas > suffers.
really - jeff: thank you, but please - stop. i have enough to do, and this is very distracting: it's not up for discussion: please just accept it. please realise that any continued discussion just wastes time and energy - yours and mine. i have a limited amount of time - i.e. today - to get the basics of a wiki written - it's almost done. please feel free to promote pyjamas, but let me focus - right now. l.
