Dudes, seriously, shouldn't we stick that on top of the /#Developing tab of the website ? That'd help people know where they put their feet.
----------------------------------CREDO--------------------------------- | Please get this absolutely clear in your head: that | | you do not "understand" my reasoning is completely and utterly | | irrelevant. i understand *your* reasoning; i'm the one making the | | decisions, that's my role to understand the pros and cons. i make a | | decision: that's the end of it. | | You present reasoning to me: i weight it up, against the other | | reasoning, and i make a decision. you don't have to understand that | | decision, you do not have to like that decision, you do not have to | | accept that decision. | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ It Made My Day Do not worry Luke, I've had more than enough time to swallow your point of view, and I won't do much trouble except wait for a pyjs messia. But it amuses me to note that: - your conceptions of management and leadership are infinitely scary (autocratism, especially in open-source, sounds slightly 3000-years outdated) - when featuring one powerful person, that state of mind leads to dictatorship - when featuring two powerful persons, that state of mind leads to civil war Very ironical for someone so careful about ethics ^^ ++ PKL Le 05/02/2012 16:12, Juergen Schackmann a écrit : > +1 > > 2012/2/5 Daniel Popowich<[email protected]>: >> lkcl luke writes: >>> this is getting nowhere, and is wasting time. >> Marketing is not a waste of time. >> >>> it makes me look like a complete fool to have to constantly go on >>> the defensive. >> Trust me, you're not looking like a fool just because you're defending >> yourself. ;-) >> >>> in areas where i do not have any expertise or any specific goals, you >>> are absolutely and without hesitation ENTIRELY free to do WHATEVER you >>> choose (as long as it is not disruptive). >> Marketing. How's your marketing skills? Are they without reproach? >> >> * * * >> >> A good leader can read between the lines. The "promoting pyjamas" >> thread wasn't about "www". Not really. It was about, and this may be >> a shock to some, "promoting pyjamas." And by extension, Luke, your >> leadership. >> >> It was about leadership because there are a number of dysfunctional >> areas in this project development which have been brought up time and >> again: the absolutely horrible website. the brain dead wiki, the >> gawdawful MailApp. Multiple gits. Hg vs git (being a python >> project). And yes, the stupid "www" issue. >> >> Each of these are in total control (or nearly) of Luke. Each of these >> issues are solved technologies requiring no pyjamas app. We could be >> using Google Groups or Mailman. We could be using MoinMoin or other >> python-based wiki. But the attitude of eating our own dog food keeps >> getting in the way. >> >> Luke, you are making HORRIBLE MARKETING decisions. These are not >> technical issues. >> >> For someone who cries publicly so much about the lack of being paid >> for your free contributions, it's a bit mind-boggling how you get in >> your own way in promoting an amazing technology so that it is ADOPTED >> by the MASSES (you want that, don't you?) and then AS THE TECHNICAL >> DRIVING FORCE behind the technology you get riches thrown in your lap! >> :) >> >> Luke, I'll use your own argument against you: stop wasting our time; >> start making smart marketing decisions and adopt proven technologies >> and protocols that are welcoming to developers and users of this API. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Dan
